#6373

What about radar, GPS, jet engines and other stuff like that though. All of those are extremely beneficial to civilians as well.

#6374

The defence budget is one of the very few elements of public expenditure that can truly be described as essential. This point was well-made by a robust Labour Defence Minister, Denis (Now Lord) Healey, many years ago: ‘Once we have cut expenditure to the extent where our security is imperilled, we have no houses, we have no hospitals, we have no schools. We have a heap of cinders.’ – Margaret Thatcher

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#6375

There is so much more to it.

Futile or not, those who benefit from war needed to create one.

Being one who entertains conspiracy theories you should have come across evidence of this already.

Some claim it goes back to the middle ages (evidence weakens with time) but since WWII every militarily campaign the U.S. has been involved has been planned in advance.

I will attempt to look for some sources (I don’t save such documents) but I had come across a document that was released detailing the war in the middle east starting desert shield and desert storm.

It was a full detailed agenda of how it was to be orchestrated.

#6376

Sounds like rationalization of fear to me.

#6377

marget thatcher was a legend :slight_smile: unless you was a coal miner .

(On Putting Women in Combat) “Women have plenty of roles in which they can serve with distinction: some of us even run countries. But generally we are better at wielding the handbag than the bayonet.” – Margaret Thatcher

,

“When all the objectives of government include the achievement of equality - other than equality before the law - that government poses a threat to liberty.” – Margaret Thatcher

…

“In a system of free trade and free markets poor countries - and poor people - are not poor because others are rich. Indeed, if others became less rich the poor would in all probability become still poorer.” – Margaret Thatcher

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#6378

not at all . if you wish for peace , you have to be prepared to defend it . which requires you to possess the means of defence

#6379

“The Iraqis had paid a terrible price for Saddam’s folly (in the Gulf War). But looking at the devastation they left behind (in Kuwait), my sympathy was limited.” — Margaret Thatcher

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#6380

“If the Europeans truly wish to improve their NATO contribution they can show it simply enough. They can establish professional armed forces, like those of the UK. And they can acquire more advanced technology. Indeed, unless that happens soon the gulf between the European and US capabilities will yawn so wide that it will not be possible to share the same battlefield. Alas, I do not think that sharing battlefields with our American friends – but rather disputing global primacy with them – is what European defence plans are truly about.” — Margaret Thatcher

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#6381

“I think we’ve been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it’s the government’s job to cope with it. ‘I have a problem, I’ll get a grant.’ ‘I’m homeless, the government must house me.’ They’re casting their problem on society. And you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There’s no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.” — Margaret Thatcher

i especially like this one :slight_smile:

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#6382

"If you want be a great leader,
you must learn to follow the Tao.
Stop trying to control.
Let go of fixed plans and concepts, and the world will govern itself.

The prohibitions you have, the virtuous people will be.
The more weapons you have, the less secure people will be.
The more subsidies you have, the less self-reliant people will be.

Therefore the master says:
I let go of the law, and people become honest.
I let go of economics, and people become prosperous.
I let go of religion, and people become serene.
I let go of all desire for the common good, and the good becomes common as grass."

- Tao Te Ching

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#6383

"Some say that my teachings is nonsense.
Others call it lofty but impractical.
But those who have looked inside themselves, this nonsense makes perfect sense.
And to those who put it into practice, this loftiness has roots that go deep.

I have just three things to teach: Simplicity, patience, compassion.
These three are your greatest treasures.
Simple in actions and in thoughts, you return to the source of being.
Patient with both friends and enemies, you accord with the way things are.
Compassionate toward yourself, you reconcile all beings in the world."

- Tao Te Ching

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#6384

"The generals have a saying:
“Rather than make the first move it is better to wait and see. rather than advance an inch it is better to retreat a yard.”

This is called Going forward without advancing, pushing back without using weapons.

There is no greater misfortune than underestimating your enemy.
Underestimating your enemy means thinking he is evil.
Thus you destroy your three treasures and become and enemy yourself.

When two great forces oppose each other, the victory will go to the one that knows how to yield."

*-*Tao Te Ching

#6385

"My teachings are easy to understand and easy to put into practice.
Yet your intellect will never grasp them, and if you try to practice them, you will fail.

My teachings are older than the world.
How can you grasp their meaning?

If you want to know me look inside your heart."

- Tao Te Ching

#6386

There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.

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#6387

I have never advocated war except as a means of peace.
Ulysses S. Grant

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#6388

Ive heavily looked into the Pearl harbour conspiracy, as i said i used to believe it my self.

We were not expecting a Japanese attack. Our military was complete trash at the time, and wasn’t up to date till around mid 1943. So even if he really did know, it wouldn’t have made a difference.

Certain factions in the U.S did, such as the Rothschild, Rockefeller, and Prescott bush. But those families didn’t like Roosevelt because he supported the allies, and kept us out of the war temporarily.

They did attempt to stage a coup, and install a fascist regime but they were caught.

I would agree with that statement post world war 2. And yes there were some examples of us using false flags before World war 2 as well. The U.SS Maine is one that comes to mind. But i don’t believe the U.S used false flags to get into WW2.

How ever you might be interested to hear this. Apparently the Rothschild had connections with Toyota and other jap car companies. Apparently they had a hand in provoking the japs to attack Pearl harbour.

#6389

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11885307_1019069894822319_6437683887754306887_n.jpg?oh=6c6b6f9de2e6e1dd012ab51a7c14f24d&oe=56720BC1

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#6390

Fucking cool.

#6391

Interesting, I would like to see its effectiveness during a real riot.

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#6392

Only in Korea they have coordinated rioters.

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