Combined with South Korea easily. The U.K honestly isn’t that powerful any more.
They wouldn’t need to, you clearly don’t understand that a war with China would be a defensive war. Japan is constantly having to intercept Chinese fighters who flow over their islands all the time.
That changed, they have built several destroyers too which are very high tech.
Yes and does it take a month to get reinforcements there? All the neighbouring countries back Twain including the U.S. You’re also forgetting our subs in the region we don’t talk about them for a reason. China has no way of countering our subs, and there’s no way they’re going to they are going to try to land troops because our subs would tear them apart.
It’s really not, i have no idea where you are getting this from. I have spent so much time looking into this and found nothing that indicates them improving. They don’t have a joint command, they have one carrier that doesn’t work. Their pilots get less then a few hours of flight time a month and would be destroyed by Japan’s pilots who are constantly training and getting flight time.
Chinas only advancements ive seen are them building an air craft carrier along with stealing the F-35 although they stole it when it was hardly finished so i doubt it will serve them well. Finally the carrier killer missile which they just tested a few months ago.
They are mostly armed with U.S equipment, where are you getting this from? And i never said they were a great military, but we have bases there and combine them with all the other Asian nations against China and you have a strong force.
You just debunked your own statement.
Check out the youtube link. He gets his information from China state run media, as for resource shortages you can Google Chinese resource shortage and find hundreds of articles.
Did you swear to protect and serve a certain political party in your country? That would be like U.S troops pledging service to Democrats and Republicans not the country or the constitution.
There’s controversy around that meaning some still do exist. China just said they shut them down to shut everyone up. Remember this is the same government that denys the Tienanmen square massacre and other embarrassing events for them.
Not the same thing, the Chinese camps were absolutely horrible, like on a North Korean level.
This amused me. Of fucking course they’re not going to say they dislike their government they don’t want to be arrested or even killed. There have been some large protests though, but those people are playing a dangerous game.
This was not some guy being forced out of his home to make way for a highway. The government wasn’t letting Cliven bundys cattle on federal land to graze even though he had been doing it for years. His cattle was starving, and the real reason he couldn’t use the land is because Obamas buddy Harry Reid was given the federal land which is illegal…
yes around 2 months ago . . and are anything but destroyers which shows how much research you have done . they are in fact helicopter carriers . about as useful as a chocolate dildo
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Combined with South Korea easily. The U.K honestly isn’t that powerful any more.
[/quote] south korea wouldnt be in a position to divert many troops as you know …north korea and shit
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8205, topic:21032”]
The U.K honestly isn’t that powerful any more.
[/quote] good luck with that one .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8205, topic:21032”]
They wouldn’t need to, you clearly don’t understand that a war with China would be a defensive war. Japan is constantly having to intercept Chinese fighters who flow over their islands all the time.
[/quote] incorrect it would not be . it may be in writing but not in practice terms any more than the Falklands war was a defence war in practice …which it wasnt .
the most likely event is china just deploying its forces and claiming the land (which they have already done with the bases they are building out there ) .
therefore japan would be required to attack the Chinese forces set up in the south china sea . thus leave Japanese mainland .
this would mean china would actually hold the defensive advantage . as the argies did in the Falklands .
china currently has a mass of AA covering the disputed area , it would not be easy to take back . you would need a NATO force to budge that bitch . you would need nuclear powers , you would need the UK .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8205, topic:21032”]
Yes and does it take a month to get reinforcements there? All the neighbouring countries back Twain including the U.S. You’re also forgetting our subs in the region we don’t talk about them for a reason. China has no way of countering our subs, and there’s no way they’re going to they are going to try to land troops because our subs would tear them apart.
[/quote] are you aware of the location of taiwan ?
we wouldnt get a plane anywhere near that island . any fleet near that region would be in huge danger .
china could take taiwan like the US could take mexico . very fucking easily .
the US wouldnt risk war over taiwan anyway .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8205, topic:21032”]
You’re also forgetting our subs in the region we don’t talk about them for a reason. China has no way of countering our subs, and there’s no way they’re going to they are going to try to land troops because our subs would tear them apart.
[/quote] you’re on chinas door step they would be in a position to deploy their full navel power . how many subs you willing to lose to defend taiwan ?
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8205, topic:21032”]
It’s really not, i have no idea where you are getting this from. I have spent so much time looking into this and found nothing that indicates them improving. They don’t have a joint command, they have one carrier that doesn’t work. Their pilots get less then a few hours of flight time a month and would be destroyed by Japan’s pilots who are constantly training and getting flight time.
Chinas only advancements ive seen are them building an air craft carrier along with stealing the F-35 although they stole it when it was hardly finished so i doubt it will serve them well. Finally the carrier killer missile which they just tested a few months ago.
[/quote] please back that up . is basic knowledge they are modernizing however they keep most things secret so is hard to find much data on fine details , however a recent detailed study on their known programmes
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They are mostly armed with U.S equipment, where are you getting this from? And i never said they were a great military, but we have bases there and combine them with all the other Asian nations against China and you have a strong force.
[/quote] they are equipped with old heaps of shit . seriously research these armed forces before you make much attempt to back them up and for the love of god stop doing research on satire YouTube
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8205, topic:21032”]
You just debunked your own statement.
[/quote] no i did not . at current the Japanese military does not possess the practical ability to sustain a force overseas and as i said your likely looking at a good few years before they are able too
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8205, topic:21032”]
Check out the youtube link. He gets his information from China state run media
[/quote] yes , he takes the piss out of the bullshit propaganda sent out by their state media , its satire .
china does not have political parties as such the communist party is the parliament . so they pledge alligence to the parliament as such . in reality they have no less choice than me or you do in elections . rather than a party they vote for a leader .
Where are you getting this from? These are their destroyers.
Called an Aegis class destroyer.
Lets stop pretending the North could actually invade the south, i doubt they even want to at this point. The South has a defensive pact with the nations in the area, so they would send troops how many who knosw?
? I guess all those things you told me about the U.K cutting its military is a lie then? How your standing active army is something like 90,000 troops? South Korea has 800,000 active troops Japan has around 200,000 or more.
You’re mixing up the South China sea disputes and the Japanese island disputes. Japan has islands which are theirs but China claims are there’s. These islands are patrolled and defend by Japan, and aren’t in the South China sea.
The South China sea is a different kettle of fish. According the U.N a countries territory stretches 200 miles out into the ocean. China is building islands here so they have a claim to this area how ever they are constantly infringing on other nations territory. These nations patrol these waters and a U.S fleet is in the area too.
No they could not, otherwise they would have taken out the “rouge state” by now. Taiwan has plenty of AA and their ground troops could hold China for about a month.
How are they going to destroy our subs? China is severely lacking in the naval department. China knows that are subs are a threat that’s why they want to have subs that can match ours. But ours are currently one of if not the most advanced on the planet.
Video backing up how they have on aircraft carrier his sources are the State run media
I know damn well you’ve heard about this but you’re playing dumb
No join command source, his sources are again China state run media.
No it is not satire, he states his sources in every episode, just because he cracks jokes does not make the things hes saying less true.
They don’t have a parliament. One guy is the fuckin leader.
WHAT ARE YOU SERIOUS? There are no elections in China you have no idea what you’re talking about. The party decides who the next leader is, the people have no say what so ever in it.
Link me to it please . Tried googling I find no such warship .
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? I guess all those things you told me about the U.K cutting its military is a lie then? How your standing active army is something like 90,000 troops? South Korea has 800,000 active troops Japan has around 200,000 or mor
[/quote] no that is correct .
Again you are caught up numbers . Our ability to project the power we have is far greater than any of those nations . What we bring to the table is far greater than any of those nations .
Our nations are able to work together like no other two nations on the planet .
You simply see numbers , which shows your true knowledge in such affairs . South korea for starters is in no position to deploy troops abroad .
North Korea is still too much of a threat .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8208, topic:21032”]
You’re mixing up the South China sea disputes and the Japanese island disputes. Japan has islands which are theirs but China claims are there’s. These islands are patrolled and defend by Japan, and aren’t in the South China sea.
The South China sea is a different kettle of fish. According the U.N a countries territory stretches 200 miles out into the ocean. China is building islands here so they have a claim to this area how ever they are constantly infringing on other nations territory. These nations patrol these waters and a U.S fleet is in the area too.
[/quote] please link me a map of where you are discussing .
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How are they going to destroy our subs? China is severely lacking in the naval department. China knows that are subs are a threat that’s why they want to have subs that can match ours. But ours are currently one of if not the most advanced on the planet.
[/quote] China like any decent force would set up an exclusion zone around their main task force . The exclusion zone would be held by destroyers , and plenty of submarine hunting units . Who will sonar the shit out of an area . Any sub to enter that area would be swarmed by air and sea power .
Your idea of a sub just walking up to a task force no issue is not true .
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I know damn well you’ve heard about this but you’re playing dumb
[/quote] when did I say I hadn’t heard of it ?
It’s irrelevent , they stole your tech ideas . So what . Why is that any sort of relevant information what so ever .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8208, topic:21032”]
They don’t have a parliament. One guy is the fuckin leade
[/quote] Ohh my sweet Jesus you know nothing do you
They have a parliament , the largest in the world in fact .
It’s called the national people’s congress research it .
It doesn’t work quite the same as ours does as you would expect .
As for the elections . The people elect a local parliament which in turn elects a higher parliment which elects the leader .
They don’t have direct president elections correct . Funny enough that’s the same system the EU uses cough commie cunts cough .
I think you are getting confused aegis is a combat system installed on US ships which allows the entire fleet to connect to each other and as a group defend against air attacks rather than each ship individually targeting enemy aircraft / ships , missiles etc
It’s very very high tech . And you are giving this to the japs on two new destroyers yet to be built . With the aim that Japanese ships would be able to link with a US fleet and connect to such a system .
China of the other hand has begun rolling out the new type 52D destroyer which carriers a anti -ship missile specifically designed to hit Ageis equipped vessels .
The U.S. miltarys own report details this new destroyer is a real threat . And is one of China many new ships which will form it’s "blue water " navy which it is building .
Along side this they are also constructing the type 55 destroyer .
Wether you personally agree or not China is in full steam ahead in terms of constructing a blue water navy .
This is still many years away from being able to take on the us fleets toe to toe . It’s still in very early stages .
But your nations miltary is concerned about what China is constructing . As is the entire of the world .
it’s hard to find out exactly what they are planning due to them being so secretive .
edit : i tracked down what you meant . they’re actually called the Atago class destroyer . the current ones look pretty poor .
for someone who has apparently researched this loads . i would of thought you would of at least got this part right . its actually 2 ships and they are not due into service until 2020/2021 .
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Yes and does it take a month to get reinforcements there?
[/quote] to have a full task force there to fight off china you would be looking at a month if not a little longer . the kit would have to be brought by ship mostly from the US mainland ( you island bases wouldnt provide you with enough kit to form a full task force )
while you get a proper combat ready task force there . you would be able to reinforce Taiwan with a "lighter " QRF force . which you have stationed out there .
i know you will reply with all these figures of US troops in the areas surrounding ., but dont bother ill address this now . it doesnt work that way .
a proper task force from forces stationed back home would be needed , plus your proper kit too be loaded onto ships .
also worth adding china wouldnt even need to invade . taiwan is in range of ALL its missile systems , both long medium and short range .
as well as china being able to cover taiwan with long range AA from within china .
plus china wouldnt even need its fucking navy if they did invade . they could fly by helicopter the distance is so short and secure airfields to bring in the bigger kit . china would have air dominance within a few hours i have zero doubt .
seriously look at the world map at how close china is too it . the US wouldnt beat china in Taiwan .
the logistical advantage china holds would trump them here
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This amused me. Of fucking course they’re not going to say they dislike their government they don’t want to be arrested or even killed. There have been some large protests though, but those people are playing a dangerous game.
[/quote] if you read my point i did mention this too
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This was not some guy being forced out of his home
[/quote] ohh so what your saying is people dont get evicted from their homes in the US …right .
but lets just conclude that the US wouldnt do fuck all in terms of miltary response to china if they invaded any of the area’s we mentioned the response would be similar to the one to russia with ukraine . some shitty little island isnt worth WW3 im afraid .
i highly doubt we will ever see two nuclear powers go to war again because the risk of nuclear war scares everyone
This is literally in their back yard its not some distant battle field.
Ha, good one. No North Korea has cold war tech and would be obliterated by the South. And China would invade the North before they invaded the South. China needs them as a buffer zone between them and South Korea, and they wouldn’t let their puppet kimmy start a war.
Here are the Japanese islands which China is claiming belongs to them in the east China sea.
Here are the artificial islands in the South China sea.
I repeat China does not really have the capabilities to take out our subs which are arguably the most advanced on the planet. The subs are already in that area too.
You asked me to provide sources for my claims about Chinas military, my statement included the stolen f-35.
So let me get this straight. A Chinese sub can, but a U.S sub can’t? Because when ever carriers are discussed you say Chinese subs would fuck an entire carrier group.
Maybe you should look into, its pretty much a mock congress, the presidents are selected nearly five years before their inauguration and the commies literally control every aspect of it.
I always see you say this when it comes to Russian and Chinese tech. " It’s designed to take on American stuff" No fucking shit, that doesn’t mean its going to be effective against the U.S tech. Our shit is designed to fuck them up too.
The military also said the carrier killer was a threat even though it didn’t exist until recently. The people who write these articles like to fear monger.
Nope by 2020 they plan to have 8 of them you are flat out wrong.
Yeah sure, i guess we just have troops there for nothing then.
How do they look poor? Can you explain?
And vice versa.
Nope Taiwan would fuck them with AA before they even got close. Landing would be just as suicidal. China would just have to bombard the island landing troops there has always been out of the question for them.
The Chinese even nicknamed Taiwan the “unsinkable aircraft carrier.”
Of course they do, how ever its a lot more extreme in China, they send thugs to your house and beat the living fuck of out of you if you don’t leave.
Many people actually burn themselves alive in protest or as we’ve seen recently make home made weapons.
I still don’t agree with this. First off we have bases in many of these countries there fore our soliders would be involved like it or not. Taiwan is also not some shitty little island. As i said before it’s the unsinkable aircraft carrier and is seen as a valuable strategic point by everyone in the region.
That is a very last resort extreme option. I doubt any country would use nukes unless they were on the brink of being completely taken over.
> During one of the initial negotiations of the armistice, the UNC side went into the truce tents one night and sawed down the chair legs of the KPA/CPV delegation. The next day, when the KPA/CPV delegates arrived, they were forced to sit lower than their UNC counterparts and lost face, so they quickly left the meeting. At a later meeting, the UNC delegation brought a flag into the truce tent and set it up on the meeting table. Again, the KPA/CPV delegation left after losing face, but showed up at the next meeting with a flag that was larger than the UNC flag. At the following meeting, the UNC delegation brought in a slightly larger flag. This kept up until a special meeting was called just to discuss the size of the flags, as they had grown too large to fit within the tents. The size of the flags within the meeting building have stayed about the same since then, with only minor changes. The KPA flag is wider than the UNC flag, but the UNC flag is longer. The KPA flag has thicker fringe around the edges of the flag, but the UNC’s trim is longer. The truck at the top of the KPA flagpole is taller than the UNC truck, but the UNC’s is wider. The KPA flag has a three tiered base while the UNC flag only has two tiers, but each of the tiers on the UNC base is taller than any of the tiers on the KPA flag.[21][22][23]
Haha, you would think the people doing this were five years old but no they’re grown men and powerful government officials in Korea.
no . you stuff is not . generally the US makes a major leap in military tech then a few years later china and russia will bring out a system specifically designed to counter that .
the east has always been chasing . however they are becoming increasingly good at it . hence why they have been stealing our tech and developing a counter system before our new systems even enter service .
hence why they are now becoming more and more dangerous .
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The military also said the carrier killer was a threat even though it didn’t exist until recently. The people who write these articles like to fear monger.
[/quote] these are not "articles " they are government reports issue by analysts , like the one i posted to you earlier .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8214, topic:21032”]
the carrier killer was a threat even though it didn’t exist until recently.
[/quote] no , it wasnt public knowledge until recently . china does NOT publish in any form its future weapons until they are far into development .
they have not even confirmed the creation of the 3 new carriers however we know from leaked reports that they do exist and satellite images of what is believed to be one under construction .
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Nope by 2020 they plan to have 8 of them you are flat out wrong.
[/quote] incrorrect , 4 were planned , 2 which are already in service are old and out of date . and 2 more will enter service in 2020 . planned to have the ageis system , as well as a rail gun etc
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8214, topic:21032”]
they plan to have 8 of them you are flat out wrong.
[/quote] no . they plan to have 8 destroyers using the agies system 2 new destroyers the other are refits on old destroyers .
this being on the Kongō-class and the Atago-class
the two new ones are atago classes
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8214, topic:21032”]
Yeah sure, i guess we just have troops there for nothing then.
[/quote] they are there as a defence force , under agreement to defend the territory in which they’re stationed . they are not there for an offensive purpose . should a full combat ready task force be needed as it would be . one would be deployed from the states .
you have a QRF force in asia which would be first to respond but this is to help bolster any ally until your full task force arrives .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8214, topic:21032”]
How do they look poor? Can you explain?
[/quote] they are last gen ships . commissioned in 2007 .
read the page i posted about them .
the two new ones i suspect will be world class however . but only two .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8214, topic:21032”]
And vice versa.
[/quote] indeed . but china would likely strike first giving them that edge …and well they have a fuck tone more .
china would look to knock out taiwan defensive bite in the first few hours much like we did with iraq , targeting their main military instillations .
and special forces being landed .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8214, topic:21032”]
landing troops there has always been out of the question for them.
[/quote] has until recently . they could do it now , just .
as i said above china would look to knock out most of taiwans defences before moving any troops in .
they wouldnt just sally fourth into taiwans guns , it would be a mess for the chinks if they did . although they have the men to lose .
china has 400k men in that region ready to go at pretty short notice .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8214, topic:21032”]
how ever its a lot more extreme in China, they send thugs to your house and beat the living fuck of out of you if you don’t leave.
[/quote] right i can see the tad bit of us propagandist in that . of course they send people round to kick you out if you dont leave . thats the process in any country . bailiffs come and force you out .
but to be honest i dont give a fuck about their domestic issues . they’re horrendous . im completely in agreement with you on that .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8215, topic:21032”]
First off we have bases in many of these countries there fore our soliders would be involved like it or not
[/quote] bit like they were gonna be involved in ukraine like it or not in accord to the treaty you signed to protect ukraine .
didnt get involved in that though did you .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8215, topic:21032”]
That is a very last resort extreme option. I doubt any country would use nukes unless they were on the brink of being completely taken over.
[/quote] of course it is but the fear of it keeps the major powers directly fighting each other . proxy wars will be the thing of the future as they are already
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8217, topic:21032”]
Haha, you would think the people doing this were five years old but no they’re grown men and powerful government officials in Korea
[/quote] both the two korea’s are childish as fuck always have been always will be .
Wrong, all of our shit was made to take on Russian equipment our main freaking enemy for 60 years. China and Russia have similar tech, so its logical to assume our stuff would perform well against theres.
Yeah no, ive been reading about the carrier killer missile for over five years now. China recently unveiled it at a parade, it was also recently tested for the first time.
Read the article, they want to have 8 a total of 8 destroyers by 2020.
Jesus man, i never said they were meant for an offensive force. You said we wouldn’t do shit if China invaded our allies in the region and i pointed out we actually have troops stationed in many of those countries.
How is 2007 out of date? Most of our designs are 30 years old maybe even older. They also plan to have 8 of the newer destroyers, they are building up to match China.
Through air? AA would take any Chinese plane out. By sea is not going to happen either while our subs still are around there. Taiwan could also repel low scale naval assaults not anything big.
Yes , they are upgrading 6 existing destroyers and building from scratch 2 new ones bringing the grand total of ageis equipped destroyers to 8 .
This article also details the issues with the japans constitution which doesn’t allow Japanese forces to fire first , they can only engage if engaged before hand
Another source for you , you have misunderstood massively .
“But of the six Japan already has, two will be refitted to remove their missile defense systems, the sources said. The ministry believes it needs more Aegis destroyers with high radar surveillance capabilities instead to counter North Korea, which recently has been testing short-range and ballistic missiles, the sources said.”
So you get it now ? They have six , but they want 8 .
