hahah, I’m sorry @TheDivineInfidel i couldn’t resist, the wording was just too perfect 
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which is what i said , you would be better getting as many people out , protecting a confined corridor for example as people ran out , or getting people into a room , barricading the door and in a position to defend the room if need be , and just wait for the police to clear the building .
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Well Garland, the cop wounded both of the men with his pistol despite them wearing body armor and spraying at him with Aks.
[/quote] very different situation , in a confined space with complete panic , its very hard to react in an effective manor against this sort of an attacker .
when the vast majority of people are confined in one pretty small area , all the gunmen have to do is aim in a general direction and let all hell loose .
this gave me a good giggle 
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Perfect example right here, there was 5 men with full auto aks, and grenades, a man wounded one of the attackers with his .38 revolver, which gave people time to escape. So instead of 100 dead there was only 11.
and 58 wounded , not quite a perfect example . the attackers in france went there to die , they had every intention of killing as many people as possible before blowing themselves up .
the attackers in the instance you posted clearly did not intend to die , so when they met resistance they ran , the gentleman did not escape as such , had they stayed , they could of killed him , and again the location and circumstances are very different , a church tends to be more open , people more spread out making the gunmen’s job more difficult .
where as in paris , they main focus was simply slaughtering people on the dance floor compacted in a group and cant really escape .
put it another way , you’re killing chickens when they’re running all over a field , they’re harder to slaughter and its possible one could sneak up and peck your leg . but when the chickens are trapped in a closed area with only one small exit , its much easier to slaughter them and the chances of one sneaking up on you’re are reduced 10 fold
Well electing motherfucker who ran the whole Luxembourg tax evasion business as head commissioner shows that the train is clearly derailed. This fucker should go and sit for a year in a jailcell in each of the member states, one by one.
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I still think that the guy who manufactured their suicide vests should get French state honors.
It really gives new meaning to the term when the vest is designed so that it kills only the person who puts it on.
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Czech Republic offered to send more soldiers to Mali so that French troops now stationed there can focus on Syria, also offered our military hospitals as well as anti-WMD warfare units (which are the best in whole NATO) to join French in Syria/Iraq if needed.
Well it hadn’t worked that much yet, has it?
We built Afghani helicopter forces from scratch - gave them Mils, trained crews, gave ammo. That before Russia started selling them new ones. [We are the only NATO country with all licenses and permits needed for complete maintanance and refurbishment of Russian made helis]
Now we trained Iraqi pilots and are giving them for a few pennies close support bombers (Aero ALCA 159 which is arguably the best plane in its category, i.e. extremely cheap to run and to maintain light combat jet aircraft).
We gave Kurds millions of rounds of ammo, tens of thousands (just this week we are shipping 7.000) of assault rifles and machine guns, and thousands of RPG 75s (last shipment was 5.000).
I’d say given how small country we are, we have been punching way over our weight.
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Yes, and these attacks had every intention of killing as many as possible, otherwise they wouldn’t have started shooting and throwing grenades at them.
I would say 58 wounded opposed to 127 dead is quite good, and there is no doubt that man saved many lives.
?What are you talking about a church being wide open? I’m guessing by the name that this is a Catholic Church, which means they are typically box shaped with a row of pews on each side. People are sitting side by side, and it is quite compact.
Where are they going to escape in the church? Most of exists past the altar, but are they going to run across open ground with people with aks? Not to mention the pews would give no cover what so ever, as they are made of wood.
So had that man not wounded one the attackers the death toll would have been much higher.
i was thinking this , although the 2 bombers killed 3 people (poor show ) the fast food restaurant they detonated it in looked undamaged from the outside , even the fucking windows were intact
not as bad as these , the detonators went off but not the explosives.
which in fact were the same bomb design used in paris
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yes but you miss my point about the attackers state of mind being completly different , the ones in paris WANTED to die there hence the vests . the ones you posted did NOT hence why they ran at the first sign of resistance
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?What are you talking about a church being wide open? I’m guessing by the name that this is a Catholic Church, which means they are typically box shaped with a row of pews on each side. People are sitting side by side, and it is quite compact.
[/quote] i dont mean in size per-say , i mean as in the people are not bunched together like on a dance floor , people are more spaced out , meaning the gunmen have to actually aim rather than just pull the trigger in a set direction and let the recoil take it .
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So had that man not wounded one the attackers the death toll would have been much higher.
[/quote] i dont dispute this , im saying the environment of a church is completely different to that of a dance floor
here it would be pretty easy to kill a high number .
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as opposed to here
a CCer has more of a chance in the church doesnt he ?
so russia has confirmed their plane was blown out of the sky .
putin has threatened to hunt the attckers down , wherever they hide on the planet and as of this morning begun long range bombing stikes using the TU-95 and TU 160
as well as sea launched cruise missles . as well as putin ordering the russia fleet in the medertrain to make direct contact with the french aircraft carrier and to treat the french forces as allies .
ISIS may of just fucked up big time and brought west and east together in blowing the fuck out of them , there is also talks of china joining russia in syria which personally i think they will because it will give them the chance to get some war experience and test their new kit
shit is going down
all in the last few minutes
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our secruity for tonights football game versus france has been stepped up big time
the SAS have also been deployed to the stadium with orders to shoot to kill if they suspect a terrorist .
as well as that 5,000 troops have been put on stand by to swarm london if any attack takes place .
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Posted by Faisal Saeed al Muter (a muslim) yesterday…
"It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the terrorists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.
It’s like a bad Monty Python sketch:
“We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it.”
“No you didn’t.”
“Wait, what? Yes we did…”
“No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons.”
“WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers.”
“No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so.”
“Huh!? Who are you to tell us we’re not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being.”
“Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.”
“What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians - disenfranchisement doesn’t even enter into it!”
“Listen, it’s our fault. We don’t blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.”
“Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we’re not going to let you take it away from us.”
“No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame.”
“OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?”
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Hehehe, Good ole Russia, using the B-29 to this day. Well at least its a testament to how good our technology is. 
Why do they need war experience, China is a nation of peace according to their leaders.
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