That is like listening to Chamberlain in 1938.
Meanwhile: Russian occupation of Moldova: check.
Russian occupation of Georgia: check.
Russian occupation of Ukraine: check.
The problem is that in Putin’s mind, the west starts in Germany, not in Estonia.
Also, you make the mistake of thinking of him as a politician. Meanwhile he is a gangster in politician’s seat, so different logic applies.
How exactly did Russia benefit from wars with Georgia, Ukraine?
Anyways, if you think that “little green men” coming to a NATO state is impossible (which is, BTW already happening on small scale), then you surely must admit there would be nothing wrong with NATO soldiers spending what is effectively vacations in a NATO country, if it makes the country feel safer.
We just did.
http://www.obranaastrategie.cz/cs/archiv/rocnik-2014/2-2014/clanky/visegrad-four-eu-battlegroup-meaning-and-progress.html#.VozLXqbeilM
http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/czechs-raise-planned-number-of-troops-for-nato-rapid-response/1294678
These are small steps, but it’s a start.
Also, it takes 10 minutes from the closest Czech base to reach Poland on road.
Again, nobody says send more troops. Poland is just saying that cold war is over for 25 years now so maybe it makes sense to put the troops where they matter, instead of keeping them ready in stations positioned to avert Czech and Polish invasion of Western Europe (ours were designated as first, Ruskies were supposed to follow in Warsaw pact strategy).
Not really, they are used to it and locals around bases benefit from the $$$.
We did have massive protests when US soldiers were supposed to be positioned in the Czech Republic as part of the anti-missile shield. It even lead to fall of our government and early elections. [The argument was we will happily be part of the structure, but the local part must be manned by Czech soldiers]
So unlike Poles, we don’t want foreign military presence here.
Forgot 9/11? Already forgot the support you got in Afghanistan?
Look at it this way. To make a difference, you don’t need to be all in. Look at the battle of Britain. The outcome would very likely be different if not for the foreign pilots. Even though none of their home countries could provide full military help to UK at the time.
Look at the Czech Republic only. We are a small country. But we do have the best anti-chemical/biological/nuclear warfare unit in whole NATO. We do have radar technology that can effectively guide missiles against stealth airplanes. And few other perks.
I don’t know if you are so dumb or if you are just trolling me.
The only time Article 5 of NATO treaty was invoked, it was invoked by the US.
We sent our European boys to help you and they paid in blood.
Now some want you to take your boys who are sitting on their asses in Germany and Italy and send them to sit on their asses in places like Poland and Estonia, where their sitting on their asses might actually do a difference. We are not asking for your blood, not even for money (Poland and Estonia are way cheaper than Germany and Italy), just for a show of goodwill.
And you come and spit this bullshit. Our boys are still in Afghanistan fighting what is essentially your war, and you come up and say that in recent years Europe has done nothing but having been protected by US.
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China with us which by the way is FAR more likely than a war with Russia, in fact i’m counting on it happening within the next 30 years or so
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China represents no threat to US as long as US would stick out of far East. If US engages in favor, of say, Japan there, it is your own issue. If Japan wants direct European support, it is up to the Japan to ask for it.
It is not like China would be a threat to any US soil.
You should add prequel. I said Poles significantly supported US in both Iraq and Afghanistan, with many paying in blood.
You shaid it may be true but asking for your soldiers to come and sit on their hands and doing nothing on bases in Poland would be too much.
If this is how Americans understand alliances - only to your own favor, never to give something back, then yes, fuck you.
And if you want to come back to WW2, then don’t forget that you entered it only when you were yourself attacked and when the threat posed by the German-Japan alliance became too high to ignore. Not to mention that you joined on the ground only after Russians changed the tide and it became only a question of time when they roll over Germany, possibly whole Europe.
