#9731

I did some looking into this


30 poles died in the Iraq war, and 44 died in Afghanistan it’s regretful any troops died there, how ever the way you are spinning it you would think they lost thousands of men.

#9732

Never mind that Polish was the 4th largest force in Iraq, after US, UK and Australia.

#9733

I wasn’t debating that, you kept saying many poles paid with their blood and were comparing it to the aid we gave Europe during ww2, and after. Only 80 poles actually died which is very low, and not even comparable to the hundreds of thousands of American troops who have died in Europe, not to mention the billions in aid we have given.

So if you really want to get into “blood debt” then Europe owes the U…S far more in that department.

#9734

The reason NATO troops are stationed in Germany is because it’s close enough to react within a few hours to any invasion but far away enough it does not provoke an international dispute with Russia .

For NATO to begin massing troops closer to the Russian border would risk the Cold War all over again . For what ? Russia has no desire for war with NATO hell Putin wanted to fucking join NATO ! .

You still live in the Cold War mentality .

There is no need for mass amounts of troops to be stationed in Eastern Europe . If we are needed we are here but there is no need for permanent deployments that do nothing but cause more hassle

As for @SirWarriant spitting on anyone’s grave . He has not at all the vast amount of soldiers would agree with him . It would be appreciated if you didn’t use their sacrifice to further your argument .

Ever heard the quote

“War is sweet to those who have no experience of it,
but the experienced man trembles exceedingly at heart on its approach.”

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#9735

I never did compare it. You are the one that is always raising the issue of WW2.

#9736

@sirwarriant @TheDivineInfidel

The 2015 numbers are not out yet, but I guess that whatever rise in concealed carry in the Czech Republic will be more than matched in 2016 with this going on just behind the border.

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#9737

I only brought up world war two, after you brought up how Europe fought with us in Afghanistan and Iraq, pretty much saying that the U.S owed Europe for that.

#9738

I love how anyone who doesn’t like the idea of thousands of undocumented immigrants pouring into their country is a Nazi. The U.S left wing employs a similar tactic calling anyone who wants to depart illegals “Racists”.

I’m not sure why there is division on who to blame. Since the migrant crisis started countries like Sweden have become the rape capitol of the world with their rapes going up 1400%. Not to mention the women who were raped reported as “North African”, or “Arab”. So yeah, I’m going to go out on a limb here and say they were migrants.

Many governments have already tried to cover up migrant rape cases, so I’m not surprised the German government is spewing bullshit about this having nothing to do with the migrants.

But you know, I’m just a Nazi so what do i know?

#9739
#9740

The conversation was a bit different.

You started with saying that US should not move its troops to Poland and Estonia, that US has been covering Europe’s ass for long enough with Europe contributing nothing in exchange.

I told you that you got immense support after 9/11 both in Afghanistan and Iraq. Afghanistan especially being the only time Article 5 of NATO treaty -i.e. a country’s plea for military help - was applied. I.e. when a NATO country - US - was in deep shit, rest of NATO countries - European ones - came to aid.

This lead you to go 4 generations back to WW2.

I didn’t say you owe anything. I said you are in the alliance, and you should step up your game and that it is only fair that Poland asks it since it supported you before when you asked for it.

Nobody owes anybody anything. But we are still one fucking alliance.

It’s the same as with UK and EU. You can leave the table any time - like France did in the 70s. But as long as you sit by the table, you need to play your part.

Get out or get in, but no half way bullshit.

#9741

That was my original post regarding Poland’s request for NATO troops, so you are wrong that is not the first thing i said. You responded with this.

I then pointed out that the U.S had done plenty in the past of Europe, before the wars in the middle east occurred.

Well yes, you said that many Europeans bled for America during Afgan, and i stated America did the same thing for Europe, so we do not owe you anything. Also you clearly do not realize how much ww2 affected us. It changed this country for ever, we stopped being isolationist, and started getting involved in European politics. This caused us to be come enemies with the Soviets, and nearly destroy the world. Had we stayed out of world war 2, there may not have been a cold war.

Now just replaces China with Russia, and far east with Europe. Russia has no reason to have beef with us if we aren’t involved with NATO or have strong alliances with Europe. So really, Europe is the reason we haven’t gotten a long with the Russkies for the past 70 years.

Really you didn’t? That’s interesting, you went on about how Europeans fought and died for America, then went on to say that’s why we should send troops to Poland. So you pretty much did say we owe
you.

Also you literally just said it again

How is that not saying we owe them??

LOL, the U.S needs to fucking play its part? Are you serious? Without the U.S there is no NATO, we are probably 70% of its fucking military power. It’s time Europe started playing the part, considering most don’t even spend 2% of their GDP on their military which is the requirement.

If we were to get into a war right now with Russia, who do you think would be doing most of the heavy lifting? Who do you think would have the most boots on the ground? That is the main thing that pisses me off about NATO right now, the Europe armies are so weak that the U.S would have to do most of the fighting which is not fair at all since it would be European ground.

I mean seriously, the U.S marine corps is fucking larger than all Active standing armies in Europe right now.

Well as ive said before, U.S support for NATO is at the lowest it has ever been. So that might be a possibility in the near future.

#9742

@thedivineinfidel @sirwarriant @ProkyBrambora

In case you have the nerve for google translate… Here is internal German police report about the night of rape in Cologne (from what I’ve read the groping was to the extent that most of the 100 cases would be considered rape under Czech law, not only 2 of them as they are treated in Germany).

Apparently the cops themselves were being attacked with fireworks and bottles and there were so many women running to seek help from the police that they even didn’t write them down.

Policemen thought they would be scraping dead women of the streets once it all gets over.

#9743

the difference being the US had been attacked . poland has not and there is no credible threat against them . to compare the two situations is pointless

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#9744

yea and maybe the Czech republic should think about taking up your advice …1.04% of GDP on defence ?

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#9745

I fully agree.

However it is not Czechs that are asking, its Poles and Estonians. So far whatever was asked of us has been done (apart form the spending).

#9746

why is that relevant .

as you state yourself no half way bullshit . the rules are the rules you signed the agreement to spend 2%.
have you wrote to your local government demanding they oblige by their obligation and stop with the half way bullshit ?

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#9747

If things go well I will start an NGO later this year that will focus on right to self defense, right to be armed and change of our armed forces. The spending issue will be also part of it.

#9748

im glad to her it . im sure you will keep us informed on your progress :smile:

#9749

I just don’t fucking get why European countries want thousands of U.S troops in their country. We aren’t needed in Europe anymore, our troops would be better off in Japan , or South Korea.

Although points to our Asian allies, they have really stepped up their armies, and their defense capabilities are quite good. They actually want us out of their, that’s why they’re building up their strength.

#9750

What is an NGO, i’m not familiar with that term.