@TheDivineInfidel is showeling shit out of his mouth here by buckets. I think I’ve had enough of his nonsence.
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@snejdarek @TheDivineInfidel cant you see this is the Russians plan? Here we are fighting amongst ourselves 
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What would you do if Ireland said to England. Hey wer’re annexing Northern Ireland because it used to be our land and if you say anything or do anything about we’re going to threaten you with nuclear war.
They can try 
but legally if the people of northern Ireland supported it there is little we could do
No you just no I’m right and have no argument to fight against it because Russia has done what they have done in such a way there is fuck all we can do . But by all means big man , you could go and fight the pro-Russians with all your vast expirence , skill and knowledge you seem to think you have .
yea , two , two lane roads , hardly a high way . more like a main road , and being only two , russian special forces would cause massive problems for any forces moving up the roads .
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Most national guard live on or very close to the base so they can mobilize very quickly. Thats the whole point of the national guard. They respond to national emergencies and disasters extremely quickly.
[/quote] see , you dont fully understand , they still would need time to mobilise and plans formed ,
they wouldnt come by sea , be dropped in most likely using HAHO jumps or small boats where they would glide in from a good few miles undetected , patrol in land and stay away from any form of life , the first you would know of the extent is when they open fire .
it wouldnt be one large battle either , be small units causing as much noise as possible , damaging radar, planes . blowing bridges etc this creates a mass of confusion of US high command understanding whats going on , during this small window is when more russian units would come in .
special forces would also set up make shift airfields to bring units , in the long run they would lose of course but they could certainly cause a shit storm .
HOWEVER we are also capable of doing the exact same thing to a region of russia ,
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What scar theres really nothing to damage up in Alaska that would hurt the U.S.
[/quote] pride mainly , to say russia has invaded us land would cause shock waves around the world would it not ? which would be the aim , not to hold on to Alaska but to destroy your feeling of being untouchable
Alright you’re from a city so you wouldn’t know this but two lanes is big enough to be considered a highway in the mountains. The special forces would be on foot so they would have to go like 100 miles inland to destroy the highway enough to cause issues.
At the first sign of an alarm the national guard mobilize extremely quickly. They would probably go to the base in under an hour because most would live near by. Ive talked with guardsmen before they are the national defence and are designed to be able to mobilize as quickly as possible.
Most National guard bases are very close if not in major towns and cities. Getting there undetected would be pretty much impossible.
Theres some NORAD outposts in Alaska which is the main radar system for the entire country. They are probably the most guarded places in the U.S.
What about Alaska’s air defence? There are jets constantly patrolling that region that would take out any large planes bringing in reinforcements and supplies.
I think the only way they would be able to take Alaska would be with a huge invasion force.
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At the first sign of an alarm the national guard mobilize extremely quickly. They would probably go to the base in under an hour because most would live near by. Ive talked with guardsmen before they are the national defence and are designed to be able to mobilize as quickly as possible.
[/quote] it doesn’t matter if they lived on the base it takes time to mobilise . The army does not work like "grab a gun and get on your horse " creating a full combat ready force takes a lot of time .
For example when the Falklands were invaded I believe it was a Thursday or Friday . Margaret thatcher ordered a full task force to be deployed by the monday . The ships needed were already to be deployed as they were conducting excersises . They still struggled to pull it off and they set sail with a lot of things still not in place .
Now the national guard wouldn’t take as long however to moberlise to any where near full . You’re talking at least a day .
Grouping your men together is only stage 1 of a 200+ stage cycle .
What I suspect they would do is get small unite out quickly as possible to get a picture of what’s happening and reinforce where possible but the bulk of the U.S. force would take time .
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Theres some NORAD outposts in Alaska which is the main radar system for the entire country. They are probably the most guarded places in the U.S.
TheDivineInfidel:
[/quote]. I’m sure they’re which is why special forces would be tasked to take them out . That’s exactly the kind of mission special forces do best . Against the odds . Hit it hard . And the Russians would have surprise on their side still when these would be attacked ,
And before you say it no they wouldn’t of been seen on radar as they HAHO jumped in and you can’t pick out a parachute on radar the Russian planes wouldn’t even enter us air space , transponders off in a commercial flight path and they jumped and glide in over a number of miles
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What about Alaska’s air defence? There are jets constantly patrolling that region that would take out any large planes bringing in reinforcements and supplies.
I think the only way they would be able to take Alaska would be with a huge invasion force.
[/quote] no invasion force would ever go in until special forces have caused a fuck storm before hand . But yes to take it fully and hold it would require a Russian task force
you guys are still forgetting all the people with fucking guns in our country. the russians would get fucking destroyed the instant they set fot on our soil.
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Yeah when the Japs invaded Alaska during world war 2 they faced heavy resistance from the local native tribes and other people living there. You should really check out that part of the pacific out its often overlooked and it was a huge battle to take back the islands.
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The National guard is designed to mobilize that quickly. They don’t take orders from way up the chain of the military command they take orders from the governor. so no they would not take weeks to respond to an invasion.
That is a completely different situation. The British homelands were not being invaded some islands thousands of miles away were.
Sure they might take out the guards but NORAD facilities are built to withstand nuclear strikes. Good luck getting inside.
So they just jump in and run into the middle of busy cities and towns and start blowing up bridges and damaging planes? Sure its possible but there’s no way they could do it undetected.
never said weeks , they would take AT LEAST a day to mobilise to full strength and formulate a plan of attack . NO officer of any creditability would commit his forces blindly , the initial stage would reinforce key areas , such as the radar stations etc with what ever they can , but no real counter attack would come for a day or two .
end of you cant argue with that very basic fact .
and any real push from the US mainland would be about a week , however air power could be committed within hours along with US special forces .
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That is a completely different situation. The British homelands were not being invaded some islands thousands of miles away were.
[/quote] the response is the same , british lands were being invaded the response is the same , and it has NOTHING to do with whats at stake , a task forces takes time to build the situation its responding to is irrelevant.
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Sure they might take out the guards but NORAD facilities are built to withstand nuclear strikes. Good luck getting inside.
[/quote] then why bother guarding them with troops ? just lock the doors .
im sure the US high command do not share such an attitude everything and anything can be neutralised if you know how .
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So they just jump in and run into the middle of busy cities and towns and start blowing up bridges and damaging planes? Sure its possible but there’s no way they could do it undetected.
[/quote]hahaha no not quite they wouldnt go near big cities , thats not what special forces are about they would stick to the wildness and venture in during the night to any smalls towns etc .
the spetznaz primary role within the military of russia is to cause havoc on enemy territory.
that doesnt include running into a city centre , the two high ways leading into alaska would be prime targets alone with any other easy targets .
look what that did to crimea and how quickly they did it , literally over night they secured that entire land and the Ukrainians has around 20,000 men stationed their , be a fair deal harder in the US of course but please dont ever think the US in untouchable . complacently is the death of many men
and remember i have NEVER said this would be successful im mealy painting a picture of how they would likely go about it and how the US would likely respond
Do you play chivalry med warfare divine?
Blindly? They control the damn area they aren’t rushing into some unknown land. If the police got a call saying “yeah theres some guys in military outfits putting explosives on bridges and planes” and the police went to investigate and found Russian soliders in the middle of the town that would be a pretty good reason to get the national guard involved.
Im not saying their untouchable im just saying im very skeptical a small group of special forces could penetrate one of these facilities especially without sounding an alarm. These are arguably some of the most important facilites to the U.S defense grid.
Theres a NORAD/ air traffic control center in the middle of the town near where i live. IT is literally right in the middle of the town. They place these facilities smack dab in the middle of heavily populated areas. The can’t just waltz out of the woods at go all the way to the middle of the town then penetrate a maximum security building without being noticed or killed.
Lets for fun say they did manage to penetrate one of these places. The alarm would almost certainly be sounded and their escape would be blocked off by every cop or swat unit in the area.
I don’t hardly think the U.S is untouchable i think we are very exposed to an attack from our southern border we share with Mexico. A hostile army could easily sweep across the first few southern states (with the exception of Texas probably) before we knew what hit us.
Also i think a big reason they were so successful in Ukraine was because most of the populace was pro Russian. How ever there would 0 pro russians in Alaska so the first person to see them would call the police.
ohh come on , really !? when i say "blind " i mean not knowing what they’re fighting exactly , e.g , tanks if so how many , are they backed by air power , what air power .
im talking intelligence not "yea thats so and so street send 1000 men their " if i have to explain these things to you then this discussion is done .
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Im not saying their untouchable im just saying im very skeptical a small group of special forces could penetrate one of these facilities especially without sounding an alarm. These are arguably some of the most important facilites to the U.S defense grid.
[/quote] of course they would sound the alarm ? they would attack simultaneously with the other units who are attacking other targets , they would be briefed on how to take the radar down etc .
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Theres a NORAD/ air traffic control center in the middle of the town near where i live. IT is literally right in the middle of the town. They place these facilities smack dab in the middle of heavily populated areas. The can’t just waltz out of the woods at go all the way to the middle of the town then penetrate a maximum security building without being noticed or killed.
Lets for fun say they did manage to penetrate one of these places. The alarm would almost certainly be sounded and their escape would be blocked off by every cop or swat unit in the area.
[/quote] indeed the alarm would be sounded they would make as much noise as possible in the assault for the ultimate shock and awe , their escape would be equally as loud and then they would if all goes to plan go to ground in an area which suits them .
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I don’t hardly think the U.S is untouchable i think we are very exposed to an attack from our southern border we share with Mexico. A hostile army could easily sweep across the first few southern states (with the exception of Texas probably) before we knew what hit us.
[/quote] be much harder hitting the us main body than it would to take down alaska
let me let you into a little secret , if a convert unit is spotted by a civilian they’re allowed to shoot or capture the individual if they deem it absolutely necessary for mission success
so let me get this straight you dont think russia could take alaska but you think they could steam role texas ?
and even if they did attempt to steam role texas it would be conducted in the same manor as im describing as no invasion force goes in blind (knowing what and how much they’re fighting )
There escape would be cut off by police in APCs. (suppose thats one reason the police might need tanks). Plus their on foot. How far could they get without being shot? I know their special forces but i imagine it would be almost impossible to escape a hostile town on foot when there are police in tanks chasing you and shooting at you with m4s.
And then they all get mowed down by the hundreds of police with m4s and the cant escape because they’re on foot.
Yes but the southern border isn’t guarded what so ever.
No i said Texas would be the exception. The other states they could probably easily steam role. But Texas already has quite a few national guard near the border because of all the illegal swarms coming in. So they would be most prepared for an attack.
I know you might think im crazy but it actually would proabably be easier getting a special forces team into America through the southern border than it would be through Alaska. At night they could easily be mistaken as more illegals and since the government isn’t stopping illegals from coming here any more they could stroll right in.