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#1509

they would be carrying AT missiles , some shitty police APC wouldnt be an issue neither would be the officers . they would have planned the attack and all possible go wrong situations and would have enough men to deal with the police ,

their would be a snap ambush team blocking the reinforcements also .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1507, topic:21032”]
And then they all get mowed down by the hundreds of police with m4s and the cant escape because they’re on foot.
[/quote] its easier to escape on foot , they wouldnt just run you know .

would be done in a stage by stage retreat with a constant amount of fire pinning the police down .

#1510

you’re hooked on this national guard , they cant do anything without orders no general would give the order until he had the full picture of who his men are fighting and what they’re fighting so he could send his men equipped to win the battle ,

i do wish the army was as good as you think it is but its not . things take time to organise and carry out

#1511

How many Special forces are we talking about here? You’re making it sound like several thousand which i doubt would even be able to land undetected.

You’re not getting the point. There are already 12,000 national guard at the Texas Mexico border stationed there 24/7 to stop the illegal immigrant swarms. They are at the border check points they are already mobilized. Also the national guard answers to governor. Its not the typical military chain of command.

#1512

no of course not likely be a few hundred brought in over a number of nights , they would likely be in bedded for a week / week and a half before doing anything , so they would just camouflage in and not move during this time .

once they had completed their objective russian airborne would most likely land and secure the airport , so VDV units then they would begin bringing in heavy kit etc .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1511, topic:21032”]
You’re not getting the point. There are already 12,000 national guard at the Texas Mexico border stationed there 24/7 to stop the illegal immigrant swarms. They are at the border check points they are already mobilized. Also the national guard answers to governor. Its not the typical military chain of command.
[/quote] no no , i understand perfectly its you that doesnt understand the HUGE and i mean HUGE difference between how a unit is stationed or "deployed " in a peace time environment to how they would be during a war situation . completely different .

you seem to think that mobilise means just being in the area with a gun

#1513

And how are they getting several dozen planes past the jets patrolling that area along with the dozens of radar systems? And once there on the ground how will they manage to get several hundred men concealed into the middle of a town and then break into one of the most heavily guarded buildings in the U.S?

Again what about the U.S planes in that region? And if the airport was simply destroyed then what? The U.S could probably land troops and supplies before the Russians could.

They are there to hold off an invading force and they are armed. Thats why Texas would proably be the only state that wouldn’t fall to a supries southern invasion.

#1514

“face palm”

right ok clearly i need to spell it out for you ,

planes would not be in dozens be in two’s at the most they would move in commercial flight paths , they may in fact use civilian aircraft to do it , they would then drop the troops out of the aircraft OUTSIDE US airspace at 32,000 feet , the troops would then deploy parachute right away and glide into alaska , in a remote part of alaska (not very hard ) this is called a HAHO jump (high altitude high opening ) it allows special forces and paratroopers to deeply behind enemy lines without risk of being spotted or decreased risk should i say

military jets are forbidden in normal circumstances from going near commercial flight paths so they wouldnt be spotted .

the special forces units would then stay MILES away from any towns or any human life what so ever until all units are deployed .

they would then over a number of nights cover the hundreds of miles on foot only moving during the night to their positions where they would meet up with a very small team who would be in an OP gathering intelligence on the target e.g how many men , when do guards rotate and basically map their entire daily life .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1513, topic:21032”]
Again what about the U.S planes in that region? And if the airport was simply destroyed then what? The U.S could probably land troops and supplies before the Russians could.
[/quote] thats where the element of surprise comes into play , once the ball is rolling the VDV would be deployed within hours and for the last time NO US FORCES WOULD REINFORCE FROM THE MAINLAND UNTIL THE PENTAGON KNEW WHAT THEY WAS UP AGAINST .
it is vital you understand that part seriously , no officer would give an order to just load up a plane and send it to an airfield thats under attack by an unknown sizeable force . the stages of a respose from the US would be

  1. work out that they are being invaded
  2. find out who is invading
  3. how are they equipped e.g tanks ? helicopters ? how many men ?
  4. mobilise according to the intelligence gathered
  5. plan
  6. brief
  7. execute .

at the moment you seem to think it goes like this

  1. execute non existing plan

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1513, topic:21032”]
They are there to hold off an invading force and they are armed. Thats why Texas would proably be the only state that wouldn’t fall to a supries southern invasion.
[/quote] JESUS CHRIST !!! how can you not understand this its so bloody simply they’re not in a combat posture , they’re NOT ready to fight a war in a single second . they are held at a high state or readiness meaning they can be mobilised very quickly (no less than a day )

War does not work how you seem to think it does where you just grab a rifle and run towards the invading force .
its a professional army their response is composed and professional

#1515

So, in about 3 weeks, if the weather is nice, I will walk through the game area. I plan to walk from Rataje, through Ledečko, Samopše to Sázava. Anything particular you would be interested in that I should check? I will take some pics with my mobile phone.

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#1516

if you could try and replicate the walk into the village you get in the alpha that would be pretty cool to see just how similar the landscape is

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#1517

i have an interesting one for you , what are your views on isreal ? a nations that has certainly split the west in half in terms of opinions

#1518

Samopše is covered pretty wellby google streetview. Try walking the road yourself on google. I will try taking some pics when I am there anyways.

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#1519

I think you’ve been watching to much red dawn. If the civilian aircraft did not respond to the air traffic control centers in the U.S before going into U.S air space they would scramble f-16s to intercept it.

And how are these new units getting supplied? When we did the war in Europe you told me that NATO would have to build fuel dumps, supply depots and things like that. You even said that U.S forces couldn’t use a European airport. But now Russia gets to drop into Alaska with no supplies and gets to use a tiny civilian airport. If more supply planes followed in they would most certainly get shot down. You said your self the U.S could send air power in extremely quickly.

Im pretty skeptical that several hundred men would be able to get that close to Major cities without being spotted.

The only way they would cross a lot of that terrain on foot would be going on main roads and bridges. They would most likely be spotted. Also when they pulled of their first assault on the NORAD facility which is built to withstand nuclear strikes their cover would be blown. So when they come back to hit another target it would have a shit ton of troops guarding it. I think the only way Russia would pull this off would be hitting Alaska with a massive force and overwhelming its defenses.

I never said that i just pointed out that Texas already had troops guarding its southern border so they would be better off in an invasion that the other states in the area.

If you were to invade the the U.S through its southern border, would you rather attack a point on the border with 12,000 soliders or a place where there is next to no one guarding it?

#1520

Israel hmm i don’t really have that much to say on the issue. I understand that it is the jews homeland and it has been a disputed area for thousands of years. I don’t see Israel as terrorists for shooting back at Palestine. Israel could have kept Egypt Syria and all of Palestine during the Seven days war but they didn’t. Most of the negative things i hear about Israel come from CNN and i find them about as trust worthy as the Onion.

Im guessing your anti Israel though like most people are.

#1521

keyword is in their :slight_smile:

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1519, topic:21032”]
And how are these new units getting supplied? When we did the war in Europe you told me that NATO would have to build fuel dumps, supply depots and things like that. You even said that U.S forces couldn’t use a European airport. But now Russia gets to drop into Alaska with no supplies and gets to use a tiny civilian airport. If more supply planes followed in they would most certainly get shot down. You said your self the U.S could send air power in extremely quickly.
[/quote] the special forces would be dropped with enough supplies to last the mission ,
russian airborne units would drop in after the special forces have completed their objective and the airborne would if all goes to plan capture the airfield which would be used to bring in supplies , if they really went for it they would construct a temporary airfield to use but that would take time , that would also be the solution if the existing runway was damaged .

another option would be constructing FOB’s in the far east of russia close to the coast with alaska and having a chain of supplies going back and forth likely by helicopter .

the real battle would be in the air . if russia was able to hold the air long enough for them to move long , medium and short range AA to alaska the US would be in trouble as that would make the liberation by US forces all the more difficult.

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1519, topic:21032”]
Im pretty skeptical that several hundred men would be able to get that close to Major cities without being spotted.
[/quote] alot easier than you might think , this is my field , being an ex-pathfinder in the para’s this is exactly the kind of missions i was trained to carry out ,

get in and locate areas to bring in the main force mean while special forces did the fun stuff blowing stuff up

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1519, topic:21032”]
The only way they would cross a lot of that terrain on foot would be going on main roads and bridges. They would most likely be spotted. Also when they pulled of their first assault on the NORAD facility which is built to withstand nuclear strikes their cover would be blown. So when they come back to hit another target it would have a shit ton of troops guarding it. I think the only way Russia would pull this off would be hitting Alaska with a massive force and overwhelming its defenses.
[/quote] you really lack serious knowledge on how military forces work especially special forces , they would NEVER EVER EVER go near a main road , they would stay well away from main roads , thats would they are trained to do going near a main road on a covert mission is the most stupid fucking thing EVER .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1519, topic:21032”]
I never said that i just pointed out that Texas already had troops guarding its southern border so they would be better off in an invasion that the other states in the area.

If you were to invade the the U.S through its southern border, would you rather attack a point on the border with 12,000 soliders or a place where there is next to no one guarding it?
[/quote]the troops guarding it are NOT equipped to fight off a full blown assault ,

of course its better to attack an area with less troops near by but the troops stationed their would not be expecting to be attacked in their own nation and wouldnt be equipped in that manner , they would still have to be mobilised ,

the first few days of defending against an invasion are really just trying to hold on to what you can until a force can come behind and relieve you .

#1522

If there was a random passenger jet coming from siberia near U.S airspace it would raise all kinds of alarms. f-16s would most likely be scrambled to escort it away form U.S airspace or inspect it. Now if this plane suddenly turned around and headed straight back to siberia it would defiantly make people suspicious.

The closer they got to cities the more likely spotted by bush planes. hikers, campers, hunter, park rangers, trail cams, oil workers ect. They would have to go out in the open at some point to get over peaks, cross rivers, roads bridges, ect.

What will they be blowing up? The minute they started blowing shit up in populated areas they would be spotted. Heres something we also haven’t taken into consideration. How will they control a few hundred thousand to few million civilians who would be armed until their main force arrived?

They would have to at some point cross a bridge or main road. Thats the only way across huge rivers (especially during the summer when the river would be at least 15-20 feet higher) gorges and other large impassible land marks. And if they tried this in the winter than forget them even getting anywhere. You don’t just go treking through the Alaskan wilderness for several hundred miles even very experienced guides can lose their way or have accidents. Even in the summer the mountains can have tons of snow and ice on them.

No but they’re still better off than an undefended border. They could take out invading troops but thats about it. Vehicles would be able to get through fairly easily.

Also i would like to know your views on Israel.

#1523

of course but out of it all that would be the easiest part , to assign the plane a flight number a make it all official with a route etc

#1524

But it would still have to communicate with air traffic control centers when its near U.S airspace. Theres no reason for a Russian plane to be flying out of Siberia near Alaska. To get near a reasonable jumping distance of Anchorage they would have to go over U.S waters and near the Alaskan islands. Theres no reason for a plane to do that. Im pretty sure Alaska doesn’t even take large passenger planes just small ones that carry around 20 people its airports are quite small.

#1525

Just take a look at Anchorages postion. Its surrounded by huge ass mountains on all side and as a nice big bay for our navy to stroll into.

#1526

no they wouldnt , they would NEVER go near roads , you’re arguing with someone trained in just such a task and im telling you they wouldnt go over any bridges or anything they would NOT use paths , roads bridges or anything , they will be camouflaged and move slowly through rivers over mountains , anything they need to , they’re trained and selected on their ability to do such things ,

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1522, topic:21032”]
What will they be blowing up? The minute they started blowing shit up in populated areas they would be spotted. Heres something we also haven’t taken into consideration. How will they control a few hundred thousand to few million civilians who would be armed until their main force arrived?
[/quote] of course the objectives would be completed at the same time loud and fast . as much as you may think in your perfect vision of americans grouping together with guns to take on the russian army im afraid it wouldnt happen , many might but they wouldnt have the experience or training to take the russians on plus the police would also likely attempt to stop you .

you would most likely be told to stay in your homes , and defend your homes and leave the fighting to the soldiers .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1522, topic:21032”]
They would have to at some point cross a bridge or main road. Thats the only way across huge rivers (especially during the summer when the river would be at least 15-20 feet higher)
[/quote] inflatable boats

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1522, topic:21032”]
winter than forget them even getting anywhere.
[/quote] artic training and equipment ,

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1522, topic:21032”]
You don’t just go treking through the Alaskan wilderness for several hundred miles even very experienced guides can lose their way or have accidents. Even in the summer the mountains can have tons of snow and ice on them.
[/quote] training training training , pre planed routes . all of your arguments would be taken into consideration

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1522, topic:21032”]
They could take out invading troops but thats about it. Vehicles would be able to get through fairly easily.
[/quote] they wouldnt do a lot because they wouldnt be given the orders too , their orders would be simple , hold your ground as best as possible while the US army builds up a counter force

#1527

whats the problem in communicating with ATC ?

Your acting as if these things have never been done before .

#1528

special forces are trained to deal with such conditions . its a perfectly plausble plan and i would put money on the intial stages all going to plan , as for the commercial plane situation that would be sorted out way above my pay grade so how they set it out officially i dont know but its something thats alot easier than you think to sort out.

and if they couldnt their is plenty of other options such as fast boats across , during the night , its very doable

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