If you wish to impose a no fly zone you must be prepared to shoot down any plane that violates that no fly zone including Russian jets .
If the west shoots down a Russian jet we will risk igniting a war far larger than is currently taking place .
Russia has its largest combat feet sailing towards the area . They have thousands of troops inside Syria and likely
Hundreds of aircraft. They also have stationed in Syria some of the most sophisticated anti-aircraft systems in the world . If Hilary wants to impose a. NO fly Zone she must be fully aware and willing to take that force on .
The most sensible option is to respect Russia is there and there to stay and for all sides to work together .
Besides Assad is the best hope for Syria now . The revolution has been hijacked by terrorists and if Assad falls Syria will fall into a sectarian struggle between the sunnis and shia muslims .
Any president still openly campaigning for removing Assad now doesnāt understand the complexity of the war and is unfit for the job .
Well itās not really . The EU is not a single nation yet where as the UK is .
The UK government represents all 4 nations inside the union . The UK government speaks for all . So why the fuck would they be at the table formally ? We discuss informally our position then the UK government meets the EU and represents all parties and proceeds as such .
Ohh and one last point the Welsh voted to leave the EU
Top U.S general publicly says only way to impose no fly zone is to go to war with Russia, Hillary Clinton repeatedly says she will impose a no fly zone. I really donāt see how i can make this any clearer to you, she did not say the words exactly how ever she advocated for actions that would lead to a war with Russia. I guess in lefty lala land saying you will shoot down Russian planes over another countries sovereign airspace isnāt the same thing as saying you will go to war with them, but saying you want closer ties with another country is tantamount to causing world war 3.
@TheDivineInfidel already explained why the general said that quite well, so you can go read his post. He is a general it is his job to know these things, and what heās saying makes sense.
Are you functionally literate? The same thing as what? Are you trying to say Ukraine isnāt a proxy war? And letās pretend the only thing the EU is about is trade while weāre at it, i mean itās not like it decided laws for countries that can literally over rule their own nations leaders.
Russia wants a Ukraine friendly to them, the West wants a Ukraine friendly to them Itās quite simple, and the U.S did the same thing with Grenada, Panama, and Nicaragua. When they had governments we didnāt like, we either invaded them and put our own puppets in power, or we financed rebels.
NATO did the same thing in Afghanistan, and Iraq, so why exactly do we have the authority to yell at Russia over Ukraine? Iām trying to have a reasonable discussion about this.
There was no evidence in that article, none. Cite some for me and ill eat my words. Nothing but claims with zero sources to back it up. I want solid proof it was the Russians doing before i believe it.
The info was willingly handed over by a DNC insider, end of.
Coming from the person who thinks Russia is behind everything? Right.
My statement is the truth, the media is accusing right wing people of being Russian spies. Clinton has said that Trump, Alex Jones, Breitbart, Nigel Farrage and many other right wing news outlets are paid directly by the Kremlin. I never accused you of calling everyone a Russian agent, but the left in general.
How ever itās clear you think Russia is behind everything.
I guess you didnāt watch the video i linked probably over a week ago, where the DNC was caught red handed admitting voting fraud?
The only defense the left has against these videos are the man who got the info is a convicted felon, although they shot themselves in the foot with that accusation because the only thing he was in trouble for was doing the undercover journalism.
The left has been claiming all year that Russia is trying to rig the election. On the fucking debate stage Hillary Clinton claimed Russia was probably hacking into voting machines, during the primaries implying that Trump only won due to Russian influence.
It would be like Trump saying heās going to sink any Chinese ships that go through the South China sea and me claiming that heās not threatening China with war.
The bottom line is Clinton is batshit insane and a complete war mongerer. She oversaw the destruction of the most prosperous nation in Africa and giggled about it, she said she would utterly annihilate Iran with nukes, and consistently advocates for an action that according to a General cannot be achieved without going to war with a nuclear power.
"a blind man on a galloping horse can see thats not a child "
simple argument really . if he is lying about his age then he is lying about his identification as a whole therefore we have no idea who they are thus creating a huge issue of national security
I think itās possible they could be in their late teens( 18-19), brown people honestly seem to age faster. Hispanics can grow a fucking a beard by the time theyāre ten years old.
But at that age they arenāt children any more, theyāre old enough to fight in the military in probably every first world nation, and groups like ISIS start recruiting far younger than 18, so the idea that they canāt be a threat to us is ludicrous.
Lefties seem to have different definitions of children than most people though, according to them these guys were children.
Taking down a couple of Assads aircrafts would be a good start. Lets see whether Russia will keep its aircraft away from no fly zones and decide on the rest afterwards.
Isnāt that more of the only combat fleet? With very dangerous subs, some good ships and plenty shitty ships left behind?
Oh come on, the fuck are you getting your numbers from?
As I said, this is exactly why no fly zone would end up into no fly zone for everyone, which is still better than current situation.
Russia - work together
Russia - respect
Man you must have a fever?
No, the best hope is having Assad removed, hanged and succeeded by some acceptable āmoderateā from his circle that will be willing and able to reach agreement with crucial āmoderateā elements of opposition forces.
That is not entirely true although it is clear that years of savage war does not lead to cultivation of moderate approach to anything.
I seem to recall the Russkies and the only two relevant NATO powers ( i donāt really think i need to state who they are) working quite well together to topple Nazi Germany.
You have been saying for what? A year and half now that Putin is an unstable war mongerer with his finger on the nuclear button, and you want to play chicken with him? You want to have American pilots shoot down his allies aircraft, and his own aircraft if he sends them in, and just hope he doesnāt react?
You fail to understand the difference between working along towards the same goal and working together.
The two are not the same.
Also, from Russian point of view - they are still holding grudge for the UK and US opening the second front only after the war was already decided and it became merely a question of time.
No, preferable would be using AA missiles placed in Turkey, Izrael and Iraq in order to reach this goal.
As I said, start with Assadās planes and see what happens next, then decide.
I also find it amusing that you constantly criticize the decision to displace Saddam as being stupid, but you are all for killing Assad on the basis that he kills civilians, when Saddam killed over a million of his own people, and used chemical weapons on the kurds.
And what of the Russian AA systems in the area, do you seriously not see how this could escalate very easily? What happens if they start blowing NATO planes out of the air in retaliation? Youāre not thinking about this clearly, youāre letting your hatred of the Russians and of Assad blind your judgement.
You were of the opinion that selling heavy equipment (tanks) to Ukraine would be a big mistake because it would escalate things even further, but you now you think shooting Syrian planes out of the sky, and Russian planes (if need be) is a good idea?
We are at cold war level nuclear tension right now, and actions like this could literally end the world, i donāt think youāre grasping that.
russia will not respect the no fly zone and neither would it be passed through the UN security council as guess what russia would veto it .
thus meaning the no fly zone would not have UN backing and would turn into a NATO no fly zone thus pitting NATO directly against russia in a situation that could literally cause WW3 in a matter of minutes .
they will have nearly if not over 20 combat vessels in the area when that carrier group arrives . including the peter the great battle cruiser . an established airforce in syria fully supported with sophisticated AA . they are perfectly capable of having a good go at also keeping NATO planes out of the sky and any NATO carrier groups on the edge .
russia is the most simple fucking country to understand on this planet . all they want is to be treated as an equal partner but im afriad the west is filled with so many people like you that walk around with a chip on their shoulder about russia that they refuse to do it . rather than giving russia the respect you would rather risk millions of lives in WW3 .
moderate ? have you got fever ? who the fuck are the moderates ? ohh yea the moderate is assad right now .
okay so we dismantle assads miltary and get rid of him . then what ? who do you place in power ? shia or sunni ? what do you do about the groups that oppose the government you put in place ? as syria now has no military. nothing its fucking its Libya all over again
