Of course, I get used to English accents.
Not silly immersion raping Czech, German, Hungarian accents!
You find the developersā English with Czech accent disturbing?
And why to spoil it with an english language at allā¦? Jesus, this kind of logic almost cause me a physical pain. Realism is already affected by english language and adding some kind of stupid czech accent doesnāt make it more realistic, just more weird. How can someone consider ingame people speaking language they couldnāt know with an accent based on language they should have speak, as realistic? The only realistic solution, many times already mentioned, is some kind of old czech and german. This solution is great assuranceā¦of bankrupcy of Warhorse. I can see the marketing - āand now we are presenting you a new open world RPG with 100 hours of dialogs in a language that no one in the world speaks todayā¦huraay!ā
Any other solution is not realistic at all and the least thing they can do is make them sound natural in english so we all can pretend itās their original languageā¦
Definitely. Also funny and unnatural. And Iām not mocking them, itās just how a czenglish sounds like.
And the last thing, how do you think they should do that? Make czech actors speak terrible english or english actors speak with terrible czech accent?
British or American accent in a period piece set in the lands of the Bohemian Crown sounds just as alien as Russians and Germans in the movie āEnemy at the Gatesā speaking English or the Russian captain in āThe Hunt for Red Octoberā speaking with thick Scottish accent.
Yep, and change on the russian accent would make him imidiately sound like an authentic Russian!
Your way of commenting sounds like a hysterical woman.
I myself am a Czech, but -sorry- i find Czech accent of English language quite repulsive and irrelevant for the game⦠From my point of view; if the game is to be dubbed English, the most appealing (and logical) accent would be British rural accent for peasantry and posh or formal accent for highborns.
If the game is going to be English-ised, those two accents would be the most suitable alternatives of the local language in the 15th century i guess.
I will leave you your clear opinion. Mine is that going through lengths to make game setting as realistic as possible then introducing British voice acting would be odd to say the least. My choice would be to have the game developers do the voice acting for the Czech characters.
I think; if we would struggle to get the most realism into the game, it should never be dubbed English. But IF itās going to be dubbed in English, British accent is the closest one (considering that in 15th century there were not much other English accents than British). Just a though.
Nobody in Bohemia have spoken English back then, i believe.
Youāve heard how terrible the developers sound in the dev diaries already, and you want that quality of voice acting in the game?
ANYTHING but American.
No, but early 20th century Czech and German is surely possible without bankruptcy.
Thatās what Iām trying to say all the time. Not too old, not too new.
English will be there no matter what.
But players can toggle in menu, English or Authentic^^ (with subtitles of course).
Here, watch this!
Omg!
Did you read the thread at all?
Did you read what Freix said?
English in Bohemia is UNREALISTIC!
Know why? Because they speak Czech there, thatās why!
So if they have to speak English then PROPER English!
Yeah, sure, and you obviously donāt know what LOGIC is!
But no problem, I just explained it to you.
You learn new things every day.
Iām definitely not against it. It is for sure that there will be also german dubbing and for 90% even czech dubbing (but probably some time after release - Danās words). And itās definitely more fitting and more accurate concerning the game setting, yet not even close to the actual language they spoke those times and hence still unrealistic. I was just replying to the ridiculous claims about czenglish as a realistic language in the game.
And little footnote: I canāt speak german, so i donāt know itās early 20th century version, but I know the czech one. It sounds quite funny to todays people, and no Czech would associate it with middle ages, more likely with political speeches from documents about WW 1 and 2. Kinda breake an immersion, so in my opinion this is no actual option.
[Cerberus] āEnglish in Bohemia is unrealistic ⦠because they speak Czech there. So if they have to speak English then proper English!ā
Yes, very logical ⦠whahaha
Itās not the different opinion, but the way itās put forward I object to (āOMG! Did you read the thread at all?!ā).
The video you link in your post shows someone who canāt speak English very well ā¦
But what does that demonstrate? That all Czech people speak English like this? I can perfectly understand all the devs when they speak English and I find their accent charming and useful to create the right immersion in game.
Definitely not, no czech or any other funky accent. I would like some hictoric accent, though.
i prefer british accent.
What heās trying to say, which I thought had already been made adamantly clear earlier in the thread, is that you canāt really make the language realistic, so you do a complete swap of languages; [old-Czech] = [English]. This swap has already been specified and is for all intents and purposes written in stone, I hope we can at least agree with this. Anyway, if every instance of old-Czech is to be replaced with English, it makes sense that the natives of the region would speak it fluently. Most foreign accents arenāt just minor regional differences, theyāre legitimate difficulties actually speaking a language correctly, and itās obvious - this is what a lot of people donāt want. All Czech accents Iāve heard to date fall in this category, theyāre simply nowhere near sounding like a regional or class related difference within the English language, it sounds like what it is, someone who is not used to forming the words theyāre forming and failing to do it properly.
Iām not saying thereās nothing to be said for a Czech accent (though in my mind it would have to be a very mild accent), but I think it would subtract from the experience rather than add to it. As an additional point, I believe that being well understood should be top priority, and I can tell you from personal experience that without exposure to the specific accent in question, itās often very difficult to understand a foreign accent for quite a while before you get used to it. Being Norwegian and living in Britain Iāve had this problem many times as I was constantly exposed to various British accents growing up, but had for all intents and purposes never heard an Indian accent of English (which is extremely common here, especially when you call up a company) until I got here and it was completely and utterly incomprehensible to me for a very long time. Thatās something that Iād very much want to avoid in a game!
In conclusion I think British English is the safer, more inclusive choice of accent that will allow everyone to understand what is being said without subtitles (which breaks immersion in my opinion, at least if they must be referred to constantly). I can understand the argument to want the Czech accent to better āplaceā it in your mind, though I donāt believe this would apply to most people as most of them wouldnāt automatically be able to place the accent anyway, but arguing that the Czech accent is somehow more āauthenticā or ārealisticā is utterly kidding yourselves.
Edit: Sorry, I didnāt realise this had gotten this long - I was simply trying to be clear, but somehow it ended up overly wordy.
Gratitude for at least bothering to write something sensible. Where in my comments did you find me state that English with Czech or German accent is most realistic? I think itās the most suitable choice and one that creates most immersive gameplay (with little playability impact). I mean English with a mild Czech accent, like the devs. This is a period in which even the next townās folk spoke with a different tongue (most commoners did not travel far and different towns had different words to express the same thing). So to state that every Czech character in game should speak with the same English accent is nonsense. Therefore there should be a variety in accents. I hope for consencus on this one. Itās also part of gameplay ⦠learn and adapt to new surroundings.
That bit wasnāt really aimed at you specifically, itās just something thatās been prevalent earlier in the thread. For example:
Etc.
As for mild accents Iād just like to point out that your example of the devs is exactly why Iād be worried about this. To me, thatās not a mild accent, itās legitimately difficult to understand on occasion. Yes, most of the time itās OK, but there were multiple times I had to rewind and listen again to understand, and others have expressed the same. If youāre somehow used to hearing a Czech (or similar) accent, itās considerably easier to decipher than if you havenāt, which makes it difficult to use any ānon-standardā English accent without causing difficulties for at least part of your audience. This is incidentally why most cases of French/Russian/Scottish accents work as most people have heard them, although youāll no doubt find some people who have difficulties with them as well.
I prefer old czech accent - for authentic experience.