Playable female characters!

That’s the whole point though, in order to make one available for you to play they would have to make another storyline.

We are playing a specific character with a specific storyline.

Unfortunately equality wasn’t a common concept in the 15th century and even in places where women had more rights the options available to them are greatly decreased compared to a man.

While they could successfully make a female storyline it would be in stark contrast to what has already been developed so far.

The reality is its to late in the development process to go back and do all this work without some part of the overall game suffering for it. Time and Money work against no matter how much we want something.

This is correct unfortunately the world today and the world in 15th century Bohemia are two very different worlds.

If your suggesting someone has been disrespectful to your views that’s your perspective, @Ambaryerno has been in support of this Idea but if it was implemented properly which sadly there is no time or money for at this point.

Even if they got a few more million in the next couple of months that doesn’t change the fact that they are on a tight schedule.

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Because they are making a realistic game. They would have to rewrite the whole story to fit around a female character and that would cost way to much time and money. Go make your own game Warhorse has said they want a male main character and if you dont like that leave.

Lets add katanas and dragons in more choices equals more money right?

So you want them to make an entire new story so people like you can play a female? Thats pretty selfish.

Yes it does effect us. Thats more time and money that would be spent making some story for a cooking/cleaning simulator instead of the main story that was promised.

What a surprise catering to minorities.

This is ultimately up to Warhorse and they have stated several times that the story they want to tell is going to be from a males perspective deal with it. The choice is made and if you want a female character so badly go make your own game or better yet you can make a mod that lets you play a female character.

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This is exactly what you’re asking for whizkid. This is MEDIEVAL Bohemia. That’s all you’ll be able to do other than be raped and forced to constantly be bedded by random lords if you’re attractive enough.

Woman are not equal to men in the Dark Ages (exceptions to Japan, China and a few other developed countries) and therefore if Warhorse made a realistic game from a female perspective, it’d be Motherhood 101.

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Naa… I don´t would say that. There were mighty woman even in Bohemia and Europe all the time, they only where a few, but what about the quote “behind every successful man there is a woman”?

For example, the millers daughter in the game. Her father, the miller is an important person. What if his wife is dead and he is ill? Maybe his daughter have to fulfil a lot of important tasks in the name of the miller, maybe there is some trouble with the farmers and she have to find a solution. This could be pretty interesting to do so, especially because she is a woman and have to find her own way to solve this problems. But as you also see, it would be a completely other story. This would not be about fightig and armor, not about swords and battles but about social conflicts and improvsing. It would be a completely different game but it don´t have to be a “Motherhood 101”.

Maybe there even could be fight, swords and armor, but then nearly most of the story have to be about why she is a woman who fights, how she get there and of course also about all the trouble she get about it.

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Kid, the only thing here that is hard to understand is your writing, the only time you used a period in that entire post was in ellipses. Also, stop using acronyms every chance you get, spell entire words (it’s “you”, not “u”), and only use one question mark.

This forum is for grown-ups, write like it.

reedng ur pohsts r mking mi hed hrt ZOMG!!!

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what a bunch of fanatics, take a deep breath and read all i am saying is provide more choices and look at all that rubbish arguments against it, its all about giving consumers choices, to play what they want and again its a single player game u play the way u want…

looking at all that abuse and rude remarks, its no wonder we are still at 2.3mio well if u guys are so fanatic about the game put money where your money is and donate more I am 101% sure they could love to have more money to make a better game…

if i had known that we had such a toxic community i would have not back this.

i am out u guys can continue to hate idk roflmao i guessing some of u needed new keyboards.

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If “its all about giving consumers choices, to play what they want.” Warhorse could create the 176th free-to-play mobile RPG MMO Elven village-builder with DIAMONDS™, but this was not what they want. They want to create a realistic medieval rpg, so why should the “male” part of the game be realistic while the “female” part would not?

And in the end, the game is 100% moddable, so if you want to have an henryetta, there will be no problem about it.

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Were they commonly fighting on the battlefield? Hes asking to put a female in place of Henry which is absurd.

Yes, a female in place of Henry would be absurd, if there would be a female role she need to have her pretty own story. On the other hand, Warhorse don´t have enough money and time to develop a second female storyline to the game.
So Warhorse has to decide if they want to make a male or a female protagonist. As Daniel wishes to fulfil his own dream of a story he chooses a male character. And this is completely fine, its a free and creative decision.
But even if he don´t, if they choose to make this game with a female character only (because there is only enough money for one full game), I am sceptical if this game would be possible. They already get some serious troubles to get the money for this project as it is, Kingdom come was already to niche to find a publisher and it had to be cut in three acts to have less risk to fail. I am sceptical, there would be enough customers to buy this product with a female protagonist only.
As the same reason as Tiffany, the OP say, many male customers would not buy this game, plus the storyline would be a lot more about social conflicts and with less actions, so there would go another amount of customers. On the other hand, they will got more female customers to buy this game, but I doubt there will be enough of them.
Yes, there are few because there are less games for “girls” as there are for “boys”, but also there are less female customers of games as male, its a vicious circle. And of course less female developers wo are willing to make a game like this, which is a sociological problem (which neither is the fault of Warhorse nor they are able to solve it!).
So in the end, they not only need to produce this game, they also have to finance it.
I think it is not about misogyny or they are not willig to make a playable female character, its about time and money. I am pretty sure they would be quite happy if they would be able to add a completely secound storyline to a female protagonist, but they don´t have the capabilities to do so. Yes, they also could forget about their whole concept and add a female Henryetta in the place of Henry without changing the Storyline at all, but that would go against their whole concept about realism. And it does not make sence at all: “Hey, we make a perfect realistic medieval game about a male protagonist, or an unrealistic because not so important game about a woman.” If they want to have a fully playable female character to the game, they sure would add the same care and detailed work for her to the game as for the male character, but during the lack of money, this is not possible.

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No it don’t. I don’t know one SINGLE well supported case of a none noble female getting knighted for fighting on a regular battlefield.

I do know of some Spanish women who defended a walled town during a siege, but that is not the same.
I do know of Nobel females who was a political leader of a faction and planned military campaigns.
I do also know about at least one female noble who commanded troops. But she did not fight.

the developers have limited manpower, time and money and they promised us a historical game.
So anything they do extra delay the development.

If they added a female character who could wear armor and become a knight they would be breaking the promise they made during the kickstarter… to make a historical game.

A male blacksmith becoming a knight… rare but not unheard of.
One guy got knighted for capturing the Scottish king at Neville’s Cross… just to mention one case.

A none noble female becoming one by the use of arms… give me just one case.

I concur.

KC:D was supposed to be a realistic, first person, historical game set in Bohemia 1403 playing as Henry, the son of a blacksmith who’s family was killed. Warhorse said they planned to put killable children into the game, making it the first RPG to be actually realistic without immortallity (read: Important NPCs immortal cliche, but not children/other people.)

KC:D is now a 1st/3rd person game set in Bohemia 1403 playing as Henry and ‘‘Henryetta’’ a.k.a. the Miller’s daughter. Children have been removed/made immortal so they aren’t sued, taking away from their plan for a realistic game.

Warhorse has changed a lot from its Kickstarter plan and we all live with it. But to completely change their vision of the game for female characters and custom creation? Might as well remake Skyrim with better graphics if that’s what you want @whizkid

theres no third person that already got shut down.

@DrFusselpulli A particularly interesting case is brewing: Prior to the rise of the guilds beginning later in the 15th century, brewing was all but exclusively a woman’s industry in Western Europe.

@SirWarriant No, they weren’t common. But VIRTUALLY 0 is still more than 0. There were VERY small numbers of exceptional figures throughout Europe (IE Agnes Hotot, who fought a duel in her father’s place, unhorsing and defeating her opponent).

From a 1348 British Chronicle:

When the tournaments
were held, in every place a company of ladies appeared in the the
diverse and marvelous dress of a man, to the number sometimes of about
forty, sometimes fifty, ladies from the more handsome and more
beautiful, but not the better ones of the entire kingdom; in divided
tunics, with small hoods, even having across their stomachs, below the
middle, knives which they vulgarly called daggers placed in pouches from
above. Thus they came on excellent chargers or other horses splendidly
adorned, to the place of tournament. And in such manner they spent and
wasted their riches and injured their bodies with abuses with ludicrous
wantoness.’

There was also the Breton pirate Jeanne de Clisson. Pope Boniface VIII discussed several Genoese women who fought in the crusades.

Because Player Characters are by their nature exceptional individuals (Henry may not be leading the army, but he’ll certainly be doing a heck of a lot better for himself than one would expect from a humble blacksmith during this era), a case CAN be made that would justify it. However as I will reiterate:

A female character in Henry’s position would face SIGNIFICANTLY more challenges than a man. At best she would face constant ridicule from both men AND other women for not minding her place. At worst she may risk assault (physical AND sexual) and murder. It would be much more difficult for her to be taken seriously both on side-quests and the main plot.

And THIS is why Warhorse shouldn’t make a female character option: Not because a female in the role would be a complete and total impossibility, but because they can’t afford the development time and money to do it PROPERLY would require. It’s NOT a matter of just swapping out pronouns. A female character following the same plot, even if the STORY stays the same, will still nonetheless face additional challenges a man wouldn’t.

@whizkid The main person making the rude remarks is you, and you’re dismissing everything everyone has tried to tell you. Someone can only repeat themselves so many times, and people get very frustrated arguing with a brick wall. I thought I’ve made myself clear that, were it practical, I WOULDN’T mind a female protagonist, but NOT if they half-ass is. I’d want them to do it RIGHT, and that would take almost entirely different NPC interactions (IE, nobles who interact with Henry one way might very well take a…different sort of interest in Henrietta). NOR would I want them to do it at the expense of crafting a deep and meaningful story for Henry.

Even AAA publishers face the same obstacles. And those who WOULD be capable, would still make generic “one-size-fits-all” NPC interactions entirely because they’d be afraid of the outcry if a female character had a much more difficult gameplay experience than a male (put it this way: Think of how pissed off people would be if someone were to make a game set Reconstruction South with a black protagonist who would be treated how blacks were ACTUALLY treated, not our uber-PC can’t offend anybody Disney Theme Park version).

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Brewing was in the hand of woman, pretty interesting. I have czeched ( :wink: ) that, it seem to be true. Yes, this maybe could make an interesting game, a roleplaying game not about fights, but about the possibility to manage a bruwery, with the focus on economy and intrigue. Sadly this is really niche, maybe we could se a mod about it. I would be interested.

Well that makes it sound far, far worse than it was. Women were worse of then than today, but there is no need to demonize the Middle Ages. While it did vary from place to place, throughout Europe women would often be paid the same wages as men for the same work, they weren’t stuck in a home all day “slaving” over a hot stove, they held jobs are were paid for it

@DrFusselpulli I believe in that in Bohemia women were also in charge of beehives and honey.

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[quote=“TheKnightinBlack, post:51, topic:22080, full:true”]
Warhorse said they planned to put killable children into the game, making it the first RPG to be actually realistic without immortallity (read: Important NPCs immortal cliche, but not children/other people.)[/quote]

Where are you getting this from? Kickstarter page never mentions children once.

In the comments section Warhorse did reply to a comment asking about children in which they stated the following.


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This wasn’t made an official announcement presumably because they weren’t sure if it would be possible to implement it. Which we now know they won’t be adding them because of the following-


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Google translate isn’t the greatest but what can be gathered from this is

A. Killable children while being realistic breeds lawsuits and social outcry

B. Immortal children would break immerision and would cause orphan scenarios

C. they believe they found a solution to the issue but they don’t have the people (time/Money to do so)

Its the same issue with a female storyline it would bring money in for sure but, they don’t have they time or money to do such things. Limitations yo.

Please if you chose to rebuttal to this part of this post in particular continue it here as to not Derail from this threads topic.

[quote=“TheKnightinBlack, post:51, topic:22080, full:true”]
KC:D is now a 1st/3rd person game set in Bohemia 1403…[/quote]

Nope it is still a 1st person only RPG and will remain so until an official announcement from the WarHorse is made.

Care to share these changes? I know of a few but you haven’t mentioned one so far that is true.

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Well there WAS 3rd person, but now I’m hearing they booted it.

Female Character is now added.

Children, which as we’ve both been discussing on the other post about this issue.

Player Housing.

Those are all new that weren’t part of the original Kickstarter.

No man there legitimately never was going to be a TPFOV the community was asked what they wanted, the vote was divided and so they decided to stick with the original plan of FPV only,

Again never officially announced.


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Been apart of the FAQ since near the beginning so no this isn’t a new change.

Eh well, I said what I knew and wished to say.

Im saying lets not do this. I know that it would be only for those, who would exchange historical correctness (and logic) for that option and others would be unaffected, right?

But I don’t think it is a good way. They try to offer a story in medieval world they trying to be as authentic as possible. This would be gimmick that would deny the whole point (unless they would make whole new story for her - which has been mentioned milion times).

PS I believe it is not the reason that we stuck at 2,3. And also if you are reconsidering your support becouse few harsh comments on forum, calling the comunity toxic… then perhaps you are a bit oversensitive.