PS4: RDR2 and KCD

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#72

Dude, i work on my own game. Not alone of course. I don’t need anyone to explain me what optimization is, etc. Especially from the people who know nothing about this.

KCD simply is not optimized properly. There are many reasons for this including Cryengine 3 which is old tech. Sure you can change this engine to suit your game much better, but this demands even more resources. Btw, with more money and people KCD would be much better game. Fact!

And you can only be inspired by some other game or concept. You learn through your own work, trials and errors.

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#73

There are only a few things that would make KCD a better game. The sure fire ones all happen to be targets in the Kickstarter vid:
-warhorses (NPCs on horseback and wagons)
-large scale battles
-sandbox

#74

Thought of this some more. There are post robbery events (bad guys in process of looting the dead) as well as hold ups (active, dynamic scenes). Have encountered 2 types of hold ups so far. One involves a stagecoach. The other is a paddy wagon transporting a prisoner. If you can’t mind your own business, you can play the valiant knight and side with the travelers/lawmen. Or, you can let the bad guys win and then dispose of them afterwards.

So far, these are pretty rare events. Not in the same location… at least so far.

If you don’t use red eye, auto-aim, and just jump in the fray, there’s a fair to good chance you’ll die. I got lit up (killed) a couple times trying to stop the prisoner break out. It was fun.

KCD guard/trader vs bandit/Cuman battles are similar. If you recklessly jump in the middle of one of the battles, you can get wrecked.

In my pipe dream, the supply wagons to Pribyslavitz would be actual delivery animations (NPCs on wagons and horses). And, at random choke points along the route, there would be RDR2 style hold ups. Maybe in KCD2

Another thought. St Denis is smaller than Boston-Cambridge-etc in FO4, but it has a ton of NPCs using a variety of transportation. Don’t play many games but it has the closest feel to an actual city I seen in a long time, maybe ever.

In St Denis, saw a stick up go bad. Woman panicked. Robber shot her. Husband cried and then carried her away. The robber ran away until metal justice caught up to him. Another time, again during the night, I said hi to a guy. He didn’t take kindly to it and gave me a knuckle sandwich. Fist fight. Third time, a thief had a rich dude cornered in an alley. … long story short, there’s a city vibe to the locale. It’s certainly situational to the (mythical) US in late 1800s/early 1900s. But, it’s fun for me to get lost in it.

If KCD2 comes around and it includes Prague, I really hope WH can mimic more of that city vibe.

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#75

You don’t play KCD, you don’t play red dead. So why would you even care or are you critiquing just for the sake.

#76

fwiw, Daniel himself suggested a several-few more months were needed to get rid of bugs etc in vid associated with release. Quote hasn’t aged very well

#77

That is good. I am sorry for it but i dont follow every comment. So thank you for the hint.
But it is after several negative reviews a most common answer. But kk, better later than never! A+
Okay, joke aside, i think they knew at beta time that it would take more time.
I said it before and i say it again, the CryEngine is nothing which is specified for an RPG.
His Engine (of Crysis, a Ego-Shooter) is based on very very primitive actions.
No RPG elements were invented for it. It was a century transition game.
here we have @Ancient answer, It takes a lot of Human genius, Very many Monesy AND time!
Most of the KCD features are not integrated in his base saled code (non src)
Every game has his locked features and so on. (TPV?!)
KCD gaves the game alot other engine improvements. And they changed the most common operation for a map creation. So long sentences but shorter sense, People can compare as much as they want, and WH and every other Studio or Company can imrpove as they want but if dont change the whole ?framework? you will never change the standards of the whole possibilities.
Okay, maybe you all talking about other things and i am to stupid to find that thoughts in comments.
The skeleton of the engine is too different to achieve a same equation.
The whole Engine must be created on that setting. KCD’s engine isnt it. RDR2 is it. End

Any possible performance gain with theese specs?
#78

lol what??? When did I ever argue about that??

#79

If you think those are the only 2 reasons to invest in a gaming PC, well you are just dumb.

#80

3 if were to add FO4 (mods). Only reasons for me. And if you can’t respect it…

#81

Read at your leisure

#82

How do you know what i play, or what i played???

Themes like this one are ridiculous. People compare games that should not be compared, and talk about something they don’t understand.

#83

Well have you played them both? if you haven’t by your logic then you are talking about shit you know not about, wouldn’t it.

You post links to articles about rock star devs being overworked complaining how horrid this is(oh the humanity), all the while calling Bethesda lazy devs bums. make up your damn mind. where is your game you lazy shit.

Many concepts for games came not from a game dev, many game devs altered their games because while technically sound the concept was not enjoyable and only an outsiders view could direct them.

I wish you the best of luck with your game. judging by your attitude you are sure as shit going to need it. now get off this forum and back to developing you “lazy bum”.

#84

And yet, WH is aiming for GOTY and has encouraged its players to vote. Slam WH with the same level of vitriol, produce an argument of substance, or put a sock in it

Some people understand more about software and CSV than you know

#85

A reminder that Prokop has a grad degree in econ

#86

He has given his fare share of criticism of warhorse. that they downgraded for consoles, going so far as to get a refund because the release game did not reflect the beta. so much for his suggesting if they had more money and people they can make a better game. hell if they had not released on console there is a high chance there would of been a lot less of both now, even with his apparent refund .

I don’t know why you are getting so much flack in fairness, your original post acknowledged in part the obvious complexity in making a comparison between the two games and studios. All I got from it was a wish that they at the very least try raise the bar and not fall back on a, a well it is console version what do you want.

So they "fixed" the rain by downgrading it and removing effects! (PS4) I hope this is a bug.

#87

Ok… Read it. Still don’t see your point. You think Fallout 4 is the only modable game on pc? I mean if those are the only 3 things you can do with a pc you would have a point. However with a gaming pc it’s easier to list the things you can’t do. Which is of right now the only thing you can’t do is play rdr2 since you can get PSnow and play every other great game on ps4 all the way back to ps2. With emulators you can play almost every game ever made. You are also getting the best version of them all with most of them being manually configurable to your liking. Almost every game is modable. Also I’m willing to bet you already have a pc in your house now for the internet and whatever else you use it for… Games on steam and sites like gog, gamivo, etc are almost always cheaper. Older games are usually next to nothing if not free.

But you’re right if those 3 things are the only thing you are going to use it for then by all means don’t use one. You’re loss.

I still don’t understand what point you are trying to make.

#88

I would say that’s a pretty smart thing to do for any small development company that just released their first game.

Again, what’s your point?

#89

Those are the only 3 on PC I’m interested in. That’s it. I don’t play other PS4 games that are given to me. It’s that simple.

I have a PC for RL. That’s enough.

I keep RL and play life separate. My choice.

When I select a marketed product, I expect it to work as advertised. There are and were specific claims made by WH/DS. I expect them to make good on them. It’s that simple

#90

That reply was to you?!

#91

I said you were right. If those were the only 3 things you were going to use it for then yeah don’t get one. However don’t start a thread on warhorses forum comparing rdr2 and kcd to prove a point that consoles are almost as good now, because they aren’t. Does the ps4 still come with a 5400 rpm drive in it? That truly is next-gen. I think I built my first pc in 2005 and it had a 7200 rpm drive in it.

You can talk about how awesome rdr2 is all day long, but the simple fact is it will be way better on pc. No one said that what Rockstar accomplished with rdr2 on ps4 couldn’t be accomplished. If they did I sure as hell didn’t see it. Just because I said kcd had to be downgraded to run on consoles has nothing to do with Rockstar and rdr2.

Sooo I still don’t understand the point you are trying to prove here.

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