A reminder that Prokop has a grad degree in econ
He has given his fare share of criticism of warhorse. that they downgraded for consoles, going so far as to get a refund because the release game did not reflect the beta. so much for his suggesting if they had more money and people they can make a better game. hell if they had not released on console there is a high chance there would of been a lot less of both now, even with his apparent refund .
I donāt know why you are getting so much flack in fairness, your original post acknowledged in part the obvious complexity in making a comparison between the two games and studios. All I got from it was a wish that they at the very least try raise the bar and not fall back on a, a well it is console version what do you want.
So they "fixed" the rain by downgrading it and removing effects! (PS4) I hope this is a bug.
Okā¦ Read it. Still donāt see your point. You think Fallout 4 is the only modable game on pc? I mean if those are the only 3 things you can do with a pc you would have a point. However with a gaming pc itās easier to list the things you canāt do. Which is of right now the only thing you canāt do is play rdr2 since you can get PSnow and play every other great game on ps4 all the way back to ps2. With emulators you can play almost every game ever made. You are also getting the best version of them all with most of them being manually configurable to your liking. Almost every game is modable. Also Iām willing to bet you already have a pc in your house now for the internet and whatever else you use it forā¦ Games on steam and sites like gog, gamivo, etc are almost always cheaper. Older games are usually next to nothing if not free.
But youāre right if those 3 things are the only thing you are going to use it for then by all means donāt use one. Youāre loss.
I still donāt understand what point you are trying to make.
I would say thatās a pretty smart thing to do for any small development company that just released their first game.
Again, whatās your point?
Those are the only 3 on PC Iām interested in. Thatās it. I donāt play other PS4 games that are given to me. Itās that simple.
I have a PC for RL. Thatās enough.
I keep RL and play life separate. My choice.
When I select a marketed product, I expect it to work as advertised. There are and were specific claims made by WH/DS. I expect them to make good on them. Itās that simple
That reply was to you?!
I said you were right. If those were the only 3 things you were going to use it for then yeah donāt get one. However donāt start a thread on warhorses forum comparing rdr2 and kcd to prove a point that consoles are almost as good now, because they arenāt. Does the ps4 still come with a 5400 rpm drive in it? That truly is next-gen. I think I built my first pc in 2005 and it had a 7200 rpm drive in it.
You can talk about how awesome rdr2 is all day long, but the simple fact is it will be way better on pc. No one said that what Rockstar accomplished with rdr2 on ps4 couldnāt be accomplished. If they did I sure as hell didnāt see it. Just because I said kcd had to be downgraded to run on consoles has nothing to do with Rockstar and rdr2.
Sooo I still donāt understand the point you are trying to prove here.
Does it matter? I didnāt know we were limited to who we could reply to here.
What does that mean? I never compared console performance to PC performance. I compared RDR2 console performance to KCD console performance.
You tell me. Iām trying to figure out what you are arguing about.
Then, take my words in context
And once again, warhorse is not Rockstarā¦ So why did you compare rdr2 to kcd on consoles?
Read the last sentence of the the 1st post
Btw, the whole fricking game industry compares games so if you have a problem with it, take it up with the industry
Again? Ok then
The money spent on RDR2 was worth it just to see the PS4 handle all the things PC snobs said couldnāt be done on console.
OK read itā¦ Again. Can you link a post where anyone here said that Rockstar couldnāt accomplish what they did on consoles?
WH threads include references to the limits of consolesā¦ consoles to handle popins, etc. that ground has been ploughed. Your ignorance of Danielās tweet to Potestaquisitor and its relevance to console popins was instructive on this matter.
v1.7 and RDR2 validate the notion that it wasnāt a console limitation per se (as suggested by Christian himself when asked about Rattay race ā¦ potentially as a performance qual test). When WH put their back into it, they delivered not only the Rattay race but the round trip Rattay race
But there are limits to consoles and that was the reason for pop ins. Yeah they got it working now after downgrading the game even further than when it released. How do you think textures are loaded anyway?
Iāve already mentioned the game was delayed so they could release it at the same time as consoles as it wasnāt planned on being released on consoles at all. You are correct they should of had it working before they released the game though. I donāt know the reason why they didnāt unless they just didnāt want to delay the game further.
I do know that rdr2 has been in development for a long time and was targeted for consoles for day 1. So once again there is no reason to compare them.
No, the reason for the popins in the version in question was because WH broke one thing to fix another. Daniel Vavraās own words. V1.7 fixed what they broke
When Christian tells me and other PS4 users, that popins may be a reality of a large open world RPG on console and that Rattay race isnāt a reasonable performance measure ā¦ wrong and wrong
I donāt know what Daniel said but I know what causes pop ins. Itās from large textures being loaded on a slower hdd. They are more noticeable in games that have very large texture files and no loading screens. Did you play the Witcher 3 on console? It had some of the longest loading screens in a game that Iāve ever seen. When I installed it on my ssd those load times were next to nothing.
I also should of added that vram and to an extent system ram also plays apart.
Now having said that there are tweaks that can be made to help reduce them as well and that is on the developersā¦ However when you are designing a game for multiple consoles and pcās that literally have thousands of different hardware configurations itās not exactly easy.
Also, Rockstar games have had issues with pop ins in previous games. That is where experience comes into play and budget for QA
strictu sensu, that means you have commented on something about which you donāt know. the popins that precipitated a growing chorus of PS4 complaints were a special causeā¦ in the parlance of quality mgmt.
for PS4 users, popins were ok. then, not. then, much worse (eg DVās twitter DM reply to pic of popins by Potestaquisitor, screenshot was added in WH forum). then, better. and finally ok again.
as i told Christian et al at WH, i can tolerate fixes to one thing (eg sys stability) to break another (eg, popins). just tell me in the patch notes. let me manage the risk associated with the disclosure. this is the essence of CSV used for medical device software and computer(ized) systems used in the support of clinical investigations (iow, all drugs, biologics, medical devices, etc approved for market). this model clunky as it is is used to comply with regulatory expectations of the EMA, PMDA, and FDA. it isnāt perfect but at its core it is based on transparency and traceability, and it keeps shit like Therac-25 from being an everyday thing. WH to its credit appears to have listened (more) and put its back into addressing some performance issues. and, as a consequence, the notes seem better (more traceability and transparency) and their game performs better (at least for PS4).