This game is very beatifull
I have no problem at all with not being able to kill children. Realism can only go so far guys ā¦ I mean, is it REALLY needed? No.
There is a reason you canāt kill children in most games. You wouldnāt be able to sell it in most countries. I am fine with that.
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I donāt think trampling people is as easy as you may think. You can see a horseback rider comingā¦ and running isnāt a hard thing to do in that instance.
Thats kind of something Iām hoping they include; realistic reactions from the NPCs (like fleeing into their homes when danger arises, or out into fields away from town to hide.)
I didnāt like how in Skyrim everyone would either run around town like chickens and cower in the fetal positionā¦or become Hercules and try to fight me with their old lady fists.
This post really reminded me of how I hope they will include children of different ages. Itās weird to think that all the kids are the same age and that there are no younger kids or babies or teenagers.
Tell this to the rating agencies. I mean it. Maybe they will realize that games do not equal toys. There is only one high profile game in the history which contained this - Fallout 1 and 2. And they got censored anyway (thankfully US version was uncensored). And yet it was kinda gimmicky, pointless. It served no purpose. Although there were consequences for such doing which is a must for me. Game containing killing of children is treated worse than hardcore porn.
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@MadSmejki: so if there will be children present in the game, but it isnāt possible to kill them, how will this work? Will they have infinite health, or will they just run away if they see the player with a weapon drawn (for example)? I think this is what concerns most people: that the game will react realistically to their actions, whatever they choose to do. Itās not that most of them actually want to go on a child-killing spree.
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Is there any precedence for a game that contained the possibility which got seriously banned? I canāt think of any game that implemented an option like that in a meaningful way. Itās important how some feature are impelemtend and not that they are implemented. Itās of course often a thin lineā¦
I can definitely understand if you chose to not risk anything here but still, itās a shame that video games are so immature. But that has many reasons - gamers, devs, publishers, media and political institutions. None of them seems to be mature and dedicated enough on a bigger scale to pursue controversial topicsā¦ 
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I actually hope that going on killing sprees isnāt possible. I meanā¦ weāre just a blacksmiths son, not some universal badass. I meanā¦ a full force of guards or soldiers should be able to put down any crazy sword swinging nut job.
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@nachtom I completely agree with you. After all, this is just a virtual program, simulating real lifeās history in medieval European times. Why is that bragging about non-killable virtual models indeed? As I said in my previous post, this is some kind of bureaucracy ridiculousness. Honestly does anybody think that ādestroyingā a pre-scripted 3D model in some computer game has anything in common with murder in real life? If there is such person, he must be totally crazy and must go to psychiatry asap. Is there any logical reference at all between ākillingā in a video game and real life? Video game characters are just non-existing program code and it should be treated like what they really are! When you ākillā an in-game character you just temporary remove it from the program. That is it, I donāt see the crime here. Why if I remove (understand kill) some random program from my PC which uses children images for cover? Please tell me that Iāve just ākilledā the children because I removed the program. Nonsense, is it?
In addition, there is absolute no matter to me on whether you remove (kill) men or women or children models from any program - it is all the same, non-existing virtual program code. Why should anybody forbid anything like this in a video game? Are we living in a mind-controlled states or what?
My humble final suggestions for @Warhorse will be as follow:
- If you (for unknown reasons) have to add children into your wonderful game, make them killable no matter what. After all, you raise budget by crowd funding and private investors, who are not reliable to any American agencies, greasy publishers or marketing bureaucracy. If the game is to be banned in some countries, fight in court with logical arguments and decisive reason. All the talk about banning is just scaring the crows - no one has any legal reason to ban any video game worldwide. I donāt think somebody in EU will make problem if there are killable children in your game.
- If you (for the same unknown reason) insist of having children in the game, but donāt want to make the killable - please, just program a simple solution. Donāt make main quests involving children. Donāt make children essential for advancing in the game or for the gameplay. Let them play some fill-up, secondary role (which nonetheless suits them better). Then you can put a simple check mark in your game Options, Gameplay tab. Name it - āRemove all children from the gameā. So that everybody like me who doesnāt want to have god-mode children in Deliverance can just exclude them from his game whatsoever. I mean, why not?
Please, if no other way around, give this not-so-hard-to-do option to your loyal fans, if there is nothing better to do, disabling children in-game is a very smart way around the āproblemā. Then anybody who doesnāt like children in-game will be able to completely remove them, those who actually like god-mode children in-game will have them. I call it a Win-Win situation where everybody will be happy.
Thank you @warhorse for you attention. I will wait for some update from you on this important matter.
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@Jlyga_u_onacHa Indeed, this is another view that clearly make banning children kill even more ridiculous. Iām programmer focusing on artificial intelligence and artificial life, so I understand there are just algorithms behind NPCās face (on the other hand real people are just biological machines with their programming in brain too :)).
Well, my problem is that I expect this will be more historical simulator than a game (I know it probably wonāt, but still hope for it).
When they blame games for massacres in schools and then limit them - think about this: If dumb child (real one :)) play game where he can attack children and nothing happens instead of paying for that crime and see he can kill them - this child could rather think that his classmates are immortal so he can just shoot them and everything will be okā¦ 
Since this is so big problem, I suggest to give children almost infinite amount of HP in official version of game, but then give away UNofficial mod that fix it back to normal (and maybe other nonsenses from rating policy) - no one can blame Warhorse for unofficial mod that changes a game.
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I informed myself on the topic and I tend to disagree now. The only country which seems to be really interested in the topic was Germany (at the times of Fallout 1 and 2). But the German requirements for games have been constantly reduced over the past few years. And even if, you could also just make a ācensoredā version for Germany (in which children are just unkillable). Itās kind of obvious that the issue wasnāt a real on in the US with the uncensored version. So itās quite safe to say that killing children in games is treated better than hardcore porn which would be banned all over the world (at least it would be excluded from Steam and major other resellers) and institutions would probably bann it anyway. Thatās not just the case for the US but also for almost the whole rest of the worldā¦
Here is a blog entry about the cuts in the European/German version of Fallout 1 and 2: http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/OpiumHerz/the-worst-thing-about-censorship-is-9608-9608-9608-9608-9608-9608-9608-011-fallout-256313.phtml
Not only the killable kids were censored (which were just removed facepalm) but also other parts of the game like death animations. Stuff like that only makes people smile today. Since these times much more brutal and bloody games got an 18+ rating in Germany for example. So itās far from a given thing that stuff along these lines would lead to an automatic ban in Germany. Thatās just a theory and even if - as I said before - you could still just make children unkillable for example. People in Germany and other countries with a censored version on PC could still āunlockā the original version by modding then (as happend with Fallout 1 and 2).
Itās imo kind of too fearful to ignore stuff like that. Why not trying to make the most immersive game (with 50% of the poupulation being children in these timesā¦) and trying to push the borders? Youāre already free of publishers and digital distribution offers new ways of dealing with such things. As I read today in the digital PC copies of Southpark Stick of Truth there are not cuts while there are some in the physical disc version for consoles in Europe. So donāt say āAh, it would be banned/cut anywayā before you even tried it or considered it at least, pleaseā¦ 
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What are you talking about?
It has been decided long time ago.
Will there be children in the game?
Nearly half of the medieval society was under age of 15 so yes, we plan to have children in the game.
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The one thing I hated about children in Skyrim was that they saw everything. So that broke immersion as a thief character. They often did not sleep as would be expected and were just plain annoying. So if they included, and are unkillable. Please, at least do not allow them to interfere with the game. As in observing thieves fulfilling their job description and have them run away and hide from fighting.
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I would love to scare him with blade or something and slipped away with loot before he return with a grownup.
Allow the player to target children if they happen to suddenly drop dead it might have been a number of causes with that kind of child mortality. so who can blame the player/developer?
But there just being kidsā¦
But seriously just because children are harder to kill because there so cute doesnāt mean itās worse than killing grownups. It does make the irrational reaction/double standard more understandable but it also seams like a form of discrimination
Immortal children are annoying so I hope they run away fast and either avoid horses or get hurt.
If this game becomes big it might inspire others and maybe make Videogames as a hole more recognized as serious art that is not just for kids. If making children mortal can compromise that and ruin the games reputation I can accept them because valuing realism and player agency in games (and realism gerarally) might still make children interesting mortal and equal in the long run.
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of course, there must be children, but it should just not be possible to kill them
I dont get it, why children should be immortal. Well it could be politically incorrect, but in a realistic RPG there are some things like authenticity. If WH invest so much effort in the NPCās which are almost human (acting different if something of minor importance happens), why should the children not be human and die? It is complete non-sense to create immortal characters in any RPG, that is one of the biggest mistake a RPG can do. Imo children, or teenager should be killable, after all this games claimes to be a realistic open world RPGā¦ with no dragons, there canāt be magic which protects the children from death. I do not hate children, but if theyāre going to be a pain in the ass just like in skyrim, the game is kinda ruinedā¦I hope this reaches WH!
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The only thing about the kids in Skyrim that bugged me were that they were all the SAME kid. Even the daughter of the Redguard couple was the SAME Nord kid.
As to the killing of kidsā¦ I seriously donāt think it matters to me if they CAN dieā¦as long as anyone who goes out of their way to stroll into a village and slaughter children gets realistically beaten to death by the guards.
What I mean is that since we are a commoner, why should we be able to just stroll into a village and kill everyone. Wouldnāt it make more sense that we would be hunted down by and angry mob for killing a person (child or not)? Unless I suppose you stealth killed all those people. But mass slaughter and killing sprees are incredibly unrealistic.
Um, actually my country (Australia) would most probably Ban it.
In Australia is law forbidding critique of Global warming theory LOLā¦ Itās almost sure. And @LordCrash seemās to be too sure about Germany. Censorship is definitely a thing in Germany (itās mainly targeting nacistic symbols but look at left4dead). Wave of panic started by FoxNews stupidity could harm game.
So why donāt we stop bragging here and wait for Warhorse to do their best for game. I donāt think that any of you has more experience with releasing games than Warhorse.
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