PC: STEAM!
Consoles: Over-priced "AAA’ games…
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I’ve read it and commented on it already, I’m concerned because in the live stream the tips on the screen were for controller and not mouse and keyboard 
Yeah, sorry @Joruto - I just realised (and hence edited my post above to remove my link!).
Didn’t they say in the live stream (or elsewhere) that there would be no inconsistencies regarding controller used, so if playing with M&K you’d never get a ‘press right thumb stick’ prompt and so on (so I don’t think we’ll be in for a dodgy port or anything). What worries me that they feel a controller is a better fit to the game than M&K. That, for all the reasons mentioned in my monster post, is something that I just do not get. At all…
Let’s hope they treat the mouse and keyboard option at least as an equal to controller and we will have a good game in 2 years. If not than we’ll have a shitty port like dark souls.
I’m really surprised by the lack of faith people seem to hold in Warhorse. Do you really think they are going to abandon their principles that fast? The game is being developed for PC, and then being ported to console. How the hell did it end up being interpreted like the opposite? The fact that they used a controller for their livestream may not at all have been a question of preference.
A lot of PR go into a livestream like that. It may have been to assure console gamers, that they know how to work with the controller. It may also have been because it allows the viewer to see the broadcaster better. Let’s face it. Keyboard/mouse kind of requires a desk. This means you have to choose a strange angle, for it to work. From a body-language and public speaking standpoint, the controller is a lot less intrusive.
If anyone should be nervous, it should be the console gamers.
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Not me but it was clear that it would be multi platform so there shouldnt be an issue.
Well look at it this way for Star Citizen a pc only game to start in all the demos they used CR always used a game controller. So using one is no indication of a specific platform.
@Anzious - I don’t think we’re going to get a dodgy port or anything like that. My assumption that they ‘preferred using a controller’ came from what someone here quoted them as saying:
We are developing the game with console controller in mind. Actually, we are developing it FOR that controller. But on PC this will be optional, typical mouse+keyboard will be definitely fully supported which means there will be no confusing tooltips showing controller buttons / sticks / pedals / whatever as a hint how to NOT control it. Mouse will be supported also in the inventory and map UI.
So, nope I don’t think we’ll be getting a messy console port at all. I do however question why you’d want to use a controller for a first person game on the PC. That’s what I don’t get (personally).
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@Cerberus I THINK I understand your frustration (and those of others who share your view) but I will only respond to the issue I brought up.
I’m probably somewhat of an anomaly in gaming because not only am I a woman, I’m probably old enough to be a mother to most of the people here. Gaming to me has always been a stress reliever after working all day on a computer or fixing other peoples computer problems. While being far from technically illiterate, I AM illiterate when it comes to gaming technology and to be honest, the thought of trying to figure it all out was overwhelming! I have always just found it easier to game on consoles (partly due to laziness, perhaps) and it was easier to keep up with what my kids were doing and playing. I don’t feel I’m anyone’s “puppet,” that’s just how I chose to spend my money (btw, I RARELY pay full price for any game, subscription or accessory and am not afraid of generics.)
When I found this Kickstarter (also my first), I was excited initially specifically because it was coming to X1, but have been so excited about it, I overcame my fear of PC gaming and even asked for recommendations (which I believe you offered help with and I thank you.) I have since gotten a nice gaming laptop and am learning the different ways I can set it up thanks to many great ideas here (also bought an adapter to use my controller as it’s easier for my hands; I have lupus so stress on my joints can get painful when using a mouse extensively.)
Does this mean I’m going to give up consoles? No. But i AM very excited about a new world of gaming and visiting some great titles I’ve missed along the way. I will also be able to participate in the alpha/beta regardless of what platform it’s on. I HOPE the dev team doesn’t dumb it down for any platform, as that would be a shame but personally I’ll enjoy it no matter what. Maybe that’s the difference between console and PC gamers. We may not be as “hardcore” but we are no less fervent in our love of gaming. 
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Its just a difference in feel. Some people prefer the feel of a controller… whereas others prefer the full range of command a mouse and keyboard allows.
For example, I’ve often been told that FPS games work a lot better on a mouse and keyboard because they allow for greater accuracy…
But personally… I have a hard time imagining playing a platformer on a keyboard.
Welcome then. Happy to invite you into the PC Gaming community. It’s ambitious, it’s fun, and it’s quite insane.
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YES! Can I like this post more than once?!
I relate and am pretty much the same with everything you said… except the part about having kids and being female. 
But I too just recently decided to dive into PC gaming thanks to KCD. But there are consoles in my heart.
I also have similar feelings about full priced games and generics. I don’t necessarily need the top of the line gear to have fun.
For example: I just recently (within the last 3 months) upgraded my TV to an HD flatscreen. Yes, that means for the last however many years I’ve been playing ALL my console games on a Standard Definition 24" old fatback TV. So yeah just recently I scraped up enough to upgrade to a 24" 720p HD flatscreen…and it was like God descended from the sky and slapped clarity on my television screen. But now that I’m looking into PC gaming I’m considering using my TV as monitor because I know its possible and it means I won’t have to buy a new monitor…but every time I mention 720p I’m met with groans of disgust and people talking about being confused as to how I could even play anything on such a small 720p screen because its REALLY blurry and must be impossible to see anything, and that I MUST upgrade to 1080p to even consider PC gaming.
So naturally…I’m very confused… or maybe the entire world is just REALLY REALLY blind.
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The controller thing doesn’t bother me because he explained it in the stream, also you can see Viktor playing with M+K in the combat video which looked fine to me.
Also what I’ve seen Warhorse is doing in general so far doesn’t bother me either, quite the opposite, I’m enthusiastic, otherwise I wouldn’t have pledged. But there are always the disappointments made by other developers in the past in the back of my head. Sorry, can’t just switch it off.
The part below the line wasn’t for you. 
I was speaking more in general. Because that’s what the corporations want us to be. Mindless fools, only good enough to give them our money. I remember the shitstorm because MS wanted to implement “always online” and used games shouldn’t be allowed to be sold anymore etc. Finally, MS didn’t have any success with their strategy. But I’m sure, sooner or later, they will accomplish what they’ve planned. Cloud-dependent services is just the first step.
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Sorry @Cerberus I didn’t even see the line, lol! That’s what happens when we get older. The vision really is the first thing to go (although in some cases it’s the mind!) I agree about the whole MS thing though (or any company for that matter.) I wasn’t going to buy the X1 when they were saying you HAD to leave it online and with the Kinect connected among other things you mentioned. I don’t enjoy being told I HAVE to do something even if it’s something I might want to do. The whole backwards compatibility (meaning lack thereof ) still irks me 
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Same… I may never get passed backwards compatibility.
@TheLoreSeeker - Yeah, I get where you’re coming from re: controller being better for platformers, but mouse and keyboard are in another league for first person games IMO. I posted about it in detail here: Thoughts about Controllers/Mouse & Keyboard
Below are my feelings regarding the best control input/genre (from my post):
- FPS (and third person with FPS look and control system) - Mouse & Keyboard.
- Casual third person driving games - Controller.
- Serious first person driving games - Wheel + Pedals.
- Platform games - Controller.
- Flighting games (Street Fighter etc.) - Controller.
- Strategy and RTS - Mouse & Keyboard.
- Casual Flight Sim - Controller.
- Realistic Flight Sim - Joystick/Yoke, Pedals, TrackIR (+ Mouse & Keyboard for switches and UI).
- Sports games (FIFA etc.) - Controller (though I’ve never played one!).
As to your PC monitor/TV issue, I’d agree with others that 720p is a low res (I’m a bit of a big screen resolution freak; 1080p seems low res to me), but I’d say go for it and upgrade later. It’s not going to feel low res to you as you aren’t coming from anything better. It won’t feel any worse than playing your console, but you’ll have a ton of really interesting games to get into. When you do upgrade though, go for as big and high res a monitor as you can afford - It’s the best upgrade you can possibly make IMO and will outlast all your other components by many years.
I really urge you to try some FPS games with M+K, it’ll prob take a little while to get used to, but once you do I doubt you’ll look back. Case in point; a mate of mine (console gamer, excepting Total War series which we play together on my PC) played half way through Max Payne 3 on my system. He liked it a lot so picked it up for the 360, found at auto aim felt like cheating, so turned it off, then found that he couldn’t reproduce the accuracy of mouse and keyboard he’d got used to and whilst he enjoyed the rest of the game from a story standpoint found it a bit frustrating/unsatisfying. He’s since bought a laptop for gaming and picked up Max Payne 3 in a recent Steam sale for next to nothing and played it through again (to ‘finish it off properly’. Once you’ve ‘clicked’ with mouse and keyboard it’s difficult to back IMO. I can play Halo with friends for a laugh, but it’s a casual experience for me and not really what I’m after.
@BlueEyedGator - Welcome to PC gaming! Enjoy the Steam sales too ;).
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Yeah I pretty much agree with you on that split up. Some games are just better designed for one or the other.
Honestly I’m both a PC and console gamer who’s somewhat slightly comfortable with K+M (for some games), but more likely prefer using my gamepad for games that do offer full controller support.
Also I’m not really fussed how they go about making the game, but I am fussed when it comes to users or backers desire to twist the devs intentions to one side for their own preferences to be valued higher than others which comes off as both childish and selfish to me.
I’m also not that fussed about my current monitor resolution and due to high prices of quite a few monitors I’ve more value with my money in more important things other than splurging on something I feel I personally don’t need.
I’d also love if this thread could be/continue to be more civil because from what I’ve read up until now a good chunk of what’s been said has come off as quite passive aggressive whether some like to think it or not.
i’d say let the devs do what they want, back them for their dream, not the intention to fuck over a different market for your own market’s sake.
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Ever tried just a keyboard for fighting games? You can do the inputs a lot faster and accurately than a controller strange as it sounds. Generally the deciding factor to ditch a keyboard for me is the need for analog movement. For example, It irritates me to no end when following an NPC and my walking speed is slower than them but my running speed is faster.